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86. Not everything is about you. YOU however, implied that it was incorrect to say that there were more

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:56 PM

Jun 2013

personal attacks on Snowden than discussion of the issues. While I haven't actually counted the threads, to say there were only a few personal attacks, is simply wrong. My comment was to point out how wrong you were in your stated opinion. Everything I listed I read HERE on DU, otherwise I would have no idea about all those 'important' issues re Snowden.

I mostly try to talk about the content of a discussion. Your comment was what I responded to, and I don't believe I said anything about YOU personally.

And being a 'Paulite' has zero to do with issue. Al Franken must be a Paulite, Alan Grayson, Bernie Sanders all of whom have praised Paul for his postions on Wall St and on Bush policies and have in fact worked with him on those issues.

And that was a perfect example of raising something that is totally irrelevant to the issues at hand.

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The personality rabbit hole. [View all] cali Jun 2013 OP

Recommended. H2O Man Jun 2013 #1

There's no solution. It's like trench warfare in WW1. Bonobo Jun 2013 #2

If Snowden showed us evidence of his wild claims, there would be little or no divide. randome Jun 2013 #3

We don't think marions ghost Jun 2013 #5

It was Snowden who made the claim about the NSA watching our thoughts form as we type. randome Jun 2013 #8

we're talking past each other. cali Jun 2013 #11

Actually, marions ghost said "Snowden himself is part of the story". randome Jun 2013 #15

You actualy prove the OP's point. zeemike Jun 2013 #31

Does no one read the other posts? I was responding to marions ghost, who said... randome Jun 2013 #34

So you got a tag team going on Snowden zeemike Jun 2013 #42

+100 Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #60

Please read post #70 marions ghost Jun 2013 #71

Cool, sorry if I misunderstood Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #72

No problem, thanks marions ghost Jun 2013 #76

:) Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #78

Crap marions ghost Jun 2013 #70

Sony I did not mean to involve you in this. zeemike Jun 2013 #85

OK you gave me a chance to clarify marions ghost Jun 2013 #89

I surly agree with that. zeemike Jun 2013 #94

isn't it something? Skittles Jun 2013 #75

as there is no issue whatsoever, I have discounted the whole thing. No personalities, but there is graham4anything Jun 2013 #79

true story SwampG8r Jun 2013 #43

It was what Snowden said in his video. randome Jun 2013 #46

i know SwampG8r Jun 2013 #56

For the sake of not further pulling this thread down, I'll just eat this one. randome Jun 2013 #61

"Nonsense" I don't think so... marions ghost Jun 2013 #74

Udall is just assuming -as so many have- that the NSA is gathering bulk data. randome Jun 2013 #77

how would he get the 'evidence' when it's so top top secret that even congresspeople don't HiPointDem Jun 2013 #96

Snowden claimed he could spy on anyone, even the President's email if he wanted. randome Jun 2013 #99

we just view this so differently. cali Jun 2013 #7

There is no doubt Snowden ignited a good debate. randome Jun 2013 #13

the irony of your post is lost on you? Monkie Jun 2013 #12

Where are the reasoned debates on this? randome Jun 2013 #18

reflect on your part in that process? Monkie Jun 2013 #21

So what changes do you think should occur with the NSA? randome Jun 2013 #22

i think that is a topic for another thread? Monkie Jun 2013 #29

The evidence is right there... BrainDrain Jun 2013 #24

Okay, I'm not sure what you're talking about. randome Jun 2013 #25

thanks. it's fine. cali Jun 2013 #35

The outsourcing is a very good subject. randome Jun 2013 #38

Perhaps the Administration should show Coccydynia Jun 2013 #73

K&R n/t OneGrassRoot Jun 2013 #4

True treestar Jun 2013 #6

i want to commend you even though we totally disagree on some of these "abstracts" Monkie Jun 2013 #109

You know, cali, I can tolerate criticism on policy and that's not the issue for me. Skidmore Jun 2013 #9

I think it is easier to focus on one person than 535. cali Jun 2013 #17

Obama asked for it! The caving and reaching across the aisle was very bad judgement. L0oniX Jun 2013 #48

Can you link to some posts that 'blame everything on 'some evil plan of the President'? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #58

What Sabrina said. nt Nay Jun 2013 #98

shared guilt Monkie Jun 2013 #10

Discuss issues, not people. We should support (or attack) policies, not politicians. Scuba Jun 2013 #14

I am able to separate the man from the politician Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #16

It's a good thing ProSense Jun 2013 #19

whoosh. right over your head. cali Jun 2013 #20

Isn't this post contradicting your OP? ProSense Jun 2013 #23

no, it's not. cali Jun 2013 #27

Yes, it is. ProSense Jun 2013 #36

In my opinion, H2O Man Jun 2013 #41

I value your opinion, but ProSense Jun 2013 #49

I've had the pleasure H2O Man Jun 2013 #67

I, for one, have accused this poster of vile behavior. reusrename Jun 2013 #92

I also value the H2O Man Jun 2013 #104

your post was nasty and snarky. I responded to that. cali Jun 2013 #52

What? ProSense Jun 2013 #68

I think the first timdog44 Jun 2013 #26

"Congress deserves at least as much criticism as the President." xtraxritical Jun 2013 #28

Hear, hear! truebluegreen Jun 2013 #30

The Irony is Priceless, "Hon." nt MineralMan Jun 2013 #32

whooshy, whoosh, whoosh. I'm not proclaiming innocence here cali Jun 2013 #39

It would be surprising to know just how many people... peace13 Jun 2013 #33

i am one SwampG8r Jun 2013 #53

One side of this issue does not want to engage on the facts. They want to call people names stevenleser Jun 2013 #57

I am with you maddezmom Jun 2013 #62

disagree on Greenwald and especially Chomsky Enrique Jun 2013 #37

Does Greenwald really have a very personal and ugly animus toward the President, or is it a pose? FarCenter Jun 2013 #40

What he does is write about Civil Liberties issues, that is what he has always done. He was accused sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #47

You know they've found a media niche they can use to drive circulation of their output. FarCenter Jun 2013 #51

Cali, this IS the motive: sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #44

"There were more threads about Snowden personally..." OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #45

So how do you feel about Snowden's poll dancing girlfriend? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #50

Curious that you brought all that up... OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #59

You should seriously consider helping Karl Rove update his techniques. Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #63

Good at what? OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #65

Read your posts. Excellent spin Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #66

Spin? OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #69

Not everything is about you. YOU however, implied that it was incorrect to say that there were more sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #86

The following discussion starting a couple timdog44 Jun 2013 #100

spot on .. du sometimes mimics tmz on steroids xiamiam Jun 2013 #80

When you find someone who resembles the kind of person you are talking about, let me know stevenleser Jun 2013 #54

of course those people exist. I can't name them cali Jun 2013 #81

Oh the ODS'ers are definitely here. Anyone who agrees with this below linked OP is one of them stevenleser Jun 2013 #82

bullpucky. you see what you're biased to see. you just demonstrated that clearly. cali Jun 2013 #87

Au contraire. I linked to show exactly who and what I mean. stevenleser Jun 2013 #88

Yes cali Jun 2013 #91

I've sent that person DUMail asking them to respond. I am happy to do the same to anyone you suggest stevenleser Jun 2013 #93

The title of this thread by the OP is a fake analogy. It is a good sleight of hand though. graham4anything Jun 2013 #95

+ a million Number23 Jun 2013 #107

Maybe it's the rrneck Jun 2013 #55

absolutely, and it really concerns me. What has kept DU different is valuing diversity of opinions, NRaleighLiberal Jun 2013 #64

And I am going to be monotonous. timdog44 Jun 2013 #105

Raising consciousness that ad hominem attacks are largely a distraction is a start. snot Jun 2013 #83

this condition was practically predictable stupidicus Jun 2013 #84

For the first time in months leftynyc Jun 2013 #90

thank you very much. cali Jun 2013 #102

As long as I've been here, DU has had these factions. redgreenandblue Jun 2013 #97

Thanks DonCoquixote Jun 2013 #101

The solution can only be in how the story unfolds carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #103

K&R felix_numinous Jun 2013 #106

Greenwald might be personally unhappy about the negotiations over comprehensive immigration reform Babel_17 Jun 2013 #108

You were doing great and I was ready to rec one of your posts for the first time in a while Fumesucker Jun 2013 #110