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rhett o rick

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73. I havent noticed any posts claiming the government was responsible. There may

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 05:53 PM

Jun 2013

some but looks to me like a lot of people are saying that things need to be investigated further. And I would think you would agree. I dont read all the posts but I havent seen anyone reflect on the President related to this as some claim.

It's a fact that Mr. Hastings had some enemies that are powerful and have lots of resources. That doesnt mean he was killed but it sure gives room for "speculation" and further investigation. What can be wrong with that? Isnt transparency one of the things that the President wants more of?

It's also speculation that drugs or alcohol were involved. I assume you are ok with that speculation. The only problem I have is that some going down that path are disrespecting him so quickly after his death.

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Wikileaks: Journalist Michael Hastings Was Dogged by FBI [View all] Octafish Jun 2013 OP

Wikileaks is exploiting his death to troll for attention. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #1

I agree- though whether they breached legal ethics is doubtful cali Jun 2013 #5

If someone meets with an attorney, and is allowed to take away the impression geek tragedy Jun 2013 #8

Nonsense! Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #47

Your substance-free response has caused me to change my mind. You are very persuasive, nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #49

You appear to be seldom correct, but never in doubt to me Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #54

I really doubt it. Not to mention that he told this to quite a few people evidently cali Jun 2013 #88

As I said, fact-intensive. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #90

If any third person knew of the contact, there is no privilege. DirkGently Jun 2013 #97

What is the conspiracy? RobertEarl Jun 2013 #6

The 'theory' geek tragedy Jun 2013 #11

There has to be more than that RobertEarl Jun 2013 #12

My conclusion is that there are no facts showing that Hastings was killed geek tragedy Jun 2013 #15

So, you don't know for sure RobertEarl Jun 2013 #19

I know there are zero facts that have been revealed that contradict geek tragedy Jun 2013 #21

You know zero facts? RobertEarl Jun 2013 #24

There are facts, those facts point towards "tragic accident' geek tragedy Jun 2013 #26

That is all you have? RobertEarl Jun 2013 #28

I'm saying look at the facts. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #29

Well RobertEarl Jun 2013 #39

"you have nothing more than what the media has told all of us" geek tragedy Jun 2013 #42

Cheers for your line of inquiry!!! Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #53

Not to mention the car crossed a median. I wondered if he possibly dropped something on his okaawhatever Jun 2013 #141

BeFree to make up your own facts. zappaman Jun 2013 #30

What's shameful is diverting attention away from what Hastings said. Octafish Jun 2013 #18

How is pushing half-baked conspiracy theories and citing geek tragedy Jun 2013 #23

Didn't know I wrote any of that. Octafish Jun 2013 #27

You cited the abuses of J Edgar Hoover as reflecting what the FBI geek tragedy Jun 2013 #31

So, that's not what I wrote. Octafish Jun 2013 #43

You cited an abusive episode from 1968 and said "That's the FBI." geek tragedy Jun 2013 #44

No. You said I wrote that I was advancing 'half-baked conspiracy theories.' Octafish Jun 2013 #50

Cheers to you Ocatfish! Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #58

Come now, the FBI's reputation is not helpful to your cause. DirkGently Jun 2013 #133

Your rationalizations are amazing. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #56

Yes, it's my bias for facts and evidence over vapid speculation. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #59

Do you think that politics is conspiracy free? nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #63

Of course not. But there needs to be factual substantiation to allegations geek tragedy Jun 2013 #65

I havent noticed any posts claiming the government was responsible. There may rhett o rick Jun 2013 #73

I have no idea whether drugs or alcohol were involved. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #75

I am willing to wait and see before making a judgment. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #102

gee you keep repeating warrprayer Jun 2013 #77

Why do you think Wikileaks is claiming the FBI stuff is related to his death? nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #79

I was unaware warrprayer Jun 2013 #106

First tweet was "Michael Hastings death has a very serious non-public complication." geek tragedy Jun 2013 #109

o.k. valid point warrprayer Jun 2013 #116

Frankly from what I am observing some on du are too willing to jump on that band wagon. I saw them still_one Jun 2013 #114

slight difference--the ones jumping on the IRS bandwagon were the conservadem, Ron and Rand Paul geek tragedy Jun 2013 #117

Yeah you make a good point with that distinction still_one Jun 2013 #122

How do you know that Ms Robinson didn't tell Wikileaks? Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #137

The Tea Party is looking saner every day. railsback Jun 2013 #2

For sure. Like Deborah Jeane Palfrey. Octafish Jun 2013 #45

Yes, government did that, too. railsback Jun 2013 #52

I don't know who did it. Octafish Jun 2013 #89

I understand your point, but not really. Because someone makes an inane claim without facts still_one Jun 2013 #119

touch� railsback Jun 2013 #134

You just painted a picture for me of a fencing match still_one Jun 2013 #139

Yep. I am afraid so. Some here on DU have jumped the shark and are hurdling every bluestate10 Jun 2013 #136

They should release what they have. napoleon_in_rags Jun 2013 #3

USN&WR: FBI issues standard 'no comment,' swats at emerging conspiracy theories Octafish Jun 2013 #4

They could clear the air a little more. napoleon_in_rags Jun 2013 #10

4) Since his car was travelling in excess of 60 mph on a street (Highland Ave) that is unsafe above HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #126

Michael Hastings Crash: Car Was Speeding, Engine Flew 100 Feet, Cops Say zappaman Jun 2013 #7

How about sudden acceleration? AZ Progressive Jun 2013 #9

Reminds me of Syriana napoleon_in_rags Jun 2013 #13

Reminder that Syriana was a movie. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #17

Yea, a movie based on pure fantasy right? SalviaBlue Jun 2013 #46

How about aliens chasing him in a spacecraft...cloaked of course. zappaman Jun 2013 #20

No evidence of a government hit is evidence of a government hit. Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #95

So far, your theory makes the most sense. zappaman Jun 2013 #96

OMG! Even worse! Rabid Zombie Unicorns! Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #98

Since it was a Mercedes, look for the Bundesnachrichtendienst FarCenter Jun 2013 #33

That might explain his racing through a red light. He would glinda Jun 2013 #38

Were his brake lights on? RobertEarl Jun 2013 #66

Have you been to the scene of the crime yet? snooper2 Jun 2013 #80

Why do you add personal insults to the thread? Octafish Jun 2013 #86

What insult? snooper2 Jun 2013 #87

I went by this morning on my daily commute zappaman Jun 2013 #93

I was looking for new car when Toyota and Honda were dealing with that problem. KoKo Jun 2013 #91

Ugh. Not to be a pain, but ... DirkGently Jun 2013 #111

It is rumoured that the ISI (UK) developed a technique to KurtNYC Jun 2013 #150

A similar accident happened to Ed Meese's son, Scott. Octafish Jun 2013 #32

A similar accident happened to Brandon Joseph Hahn. zappaman Jun 2013 #34

Hauling "Irish Ass?" What kind of an investigator would say something like that? KoKo Jun 2013 #72

HOW DARE YOU SMEAR HASTINGS!?! OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #92

glad to see warrprayer Jun 2013 #113

Happy to have tickled your funny bone. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #125

no n/t warrprayer Jun 2013 #155

hmmmm.... warrprayer Jun 2013 #108

If you are going to hit a tree head on while going 100 mph zappaman Jun 2013 #110

Engine landed how far away? warrprayer Jun 2013 #112

Car stopped... zappaman Jun 2013 #115

o.k. valid point warrprayer Jun 2013 #118

I think they will figure it out and we will know. zappaman Jun 2013 #123

what I think is warrprayer Jun 2013 #128

Conspiracies are ridiculous NoOneMan Jun 2013 #14

For sure. Like John Kokal. Octafish Jun 2013 #35

you forgot to mention Vince Foster., nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #36

For sure. Like Cliff Baxter. Octafish Jun 2013 #40

Ron Brown too. I talked to a guy who told me Hillary had him assassinated. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #41

I don't know why you want to ridicule a serious issue, but it's good to see where you stand. Octafish Jun 2013 #51

Fact-free conspiracy theories are not a serious issue. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #57

Right you are. You're one of those who insulted RFK, Jr. Octafish Jun 2013 #81

he's an anti-vaxxer loon, so yes. He's not his father. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #84

They rationalize that they can declare something as ridiculous therefore deserves ridicule. But rhett o rick Jun 2013 #60

You don't think it's ridiculous to claim, as Wikileaks has, that the FBI geek tragedy Jun 2013 #83

I think you are too quick to call something ridiculous. In any event, there is no excuse, no rhett o rick Jun 2013 #99

One is not required to take unserious arguments seriously. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #100

I totally agree. I only have a problem when those that dont take something seriously think rhett o rick Jun 2013 #120

LA Times: Michael Hastings researching Jill Kelley case before death Octafish Jun 2013 #85

This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Jun 2013 #62

While you may have missed the sarcasm, I think PRISM probably understood me. NoOneMan Jun 2013 #68

How embarrassing. I did miss the sarcasm. I am often sarcasm impaired. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #74

Since his deceased fiance worked for CIA, and his wife worked for Condi Rice, the Bush White House, FarCenter Jun 2013 #16

He could have had inside info RobertEarl Jun 2013 #22

People jump from Foggy Bottom all the time. Rex Jun 2013 #25

For sure. Like Ted Westhusing. Octafish Jun 2013 #37

LOL at commondreams. You Better Believe It! FSogol Jun 2013 #48

There's nothing funny about a journalist who covered corruptions of the national security state... Octafish Jun 2013 #61

Yeah, that's a tragedy, but it is disgusting how all the conspiracy nuts are trying to use his FSogol Jun 2013 #94

Really? Care to show where I do any of that? Octafish Jun 2013 #101

^Snicker^ FSogol Jun 2013 #103

You're trashing through labeling. Octafish Jun 2013 #105

Oooooooo, maybe I'm part of a government conspiracy! FSogol Jun 2013 #107

Mr. Hastings was one of the good guys and I am disappointed at the lack of respect shown here. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #121

The lack of respect by people using his death for their political purposes? FSogol Jun 2013 #138

Most of those that are asking for more information and further investigations have given their rhett o rick Jun 2013 #140

Bollocks: "Trying to assassinate his character" FSogol Jun 2013 #146

Ernest Hemingway suffered a similar fate... KansDem Jun 2013 #55

I hope all DU'ers note that there are some here that Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #64

well... zappaman Jun 2013 #67

Hey Zappaman - fellow Angeleno here. Is it even possible to drive 100 mph down Highland? That HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #131

Absolutely but... zappaman Jun 2013 #132

Thanks. I remember Highland being really dark with a lot of twists and turns and HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #142

We're part of the conspiracy. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #69

You certainly are very sure of what has happened in this case Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #76

There's no evidence it was anything but an accident. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #78

Logical fallacy. Just because it all conspiracies theories are not valid doesnt mean that none are. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #129

When there's no evidence, perfectly okay to say "no evidence." nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #149

Yep. Reminds me of Colonel Flagg treestar Jun 2013 #144

It is almost a conspiracy, isn't it? RobertEarl Jun 2013 #70

Yeah. I cannot believe all of the posts from the Truth-Seekers that have disappeared. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #104

And, here is my proof about mocking people that ask questions Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #130

Yep, there's no way to disprove the conspiracy treestar Jun 2013 #145

Their decision is solely based on whether or not the incident could reflect badly on Pres Obama. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #124

Heartbreaking. Octafish Jun 2013 #71

You're welcome, Octafish! KansDem Jun 2013 #82

K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #127

Why Gen. Petraeus� Assassination Inc. Threatens Us All Octafish Jun 2013 #153

You post this without a puke smilie to close the story out? Amazing. nt bluestate10 Jun 2013 #135

Nothing funny. Octafish Jun 2013 #152

Wikileaks says so, it must be true treestar Jun 2013 #143

You dont like wikileaks do you? Nor Anonymous. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #151

I was ribbing people who think they are always in the right treestar Jun 2013 #154

omfg i didn't know about this! how did i miss it? his wife , also a reporter, was killed in Iraq!. boilerbabe Jun 2013 #147

no, it was his gf. cali Jun 2013 #148