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felix_numinous

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106. K&R

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:59 PM

Jun 2013

This is why I don't have cable TV anymore, because most programming turned into personality opinion pieces--nobody seemed to notice, but that was the idea.

I actually think that as a nation we have lost the ability to have sane debates at all. I enjoy many posters here for their clarity and objectivity and others for their honest humanity, I learn so much here.

Yet the endless posts dissecting personalities just looks like FOX petty type programming, which I find alienating. It was much easier to detect when GWB was in the WH but now--so many posts are full of M$M superficial talking points- again no one seems to notice.

If one thing is clear, it is that this online community has become much more complex than when it first started.

Thank you cali

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The personality rabbit hole. [View all] cali Jun 2013 OP

Recommended. H2O Man Jun 2013 #1

There's no solution. It's like trench warfare in WW1. Bonobo Jun 2013 #2

If Snowden showed us evidence of his wild claims, there would be little or no divide. randome Jun 2013 #3

We don't think marions ghost Jun 2013 #5

It was Snowden who made the claim about the NSA watching our thoughts form as we type. randome Jun 2013 #8

we're talking past each other. cali Jun 2013 #11

Actually, marions ghost said "Snowden himself is part of the story". randome Jun 2013 #15

You actualy prove the OP's point. zeemike Jun 2013 #31

Does no one read the other posts? I was responding to marions ghost, who said... randome Jun 2013 #34

So you got a tag team going on Snowden zeemike Jun 2013 #42

+100 Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #60

Please read post #70 marions ghost Jun 2013 #71

Cool, sorry if I misunderstood Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #72

No problem, thanks marions ghost Jun 2013 #76

:) Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #78

Crap marions ghost Jun 2013 #70

Sony I did not mean to involve you in this. zeemike Jun 2013 #85

OK you gave me a chance to clarify marions ghost Jun 2013 #89

I surly agree with that. zeemike Jun 2013 #94

isn't it something? Skittles Jun 2013 #75

as there is no issue whatsoever, I have discounted the whole thing. No personalities, but there is graham4anything Jun 2013 #79

true story SwampG8r Jun 2013 #43

It was what Snowden said in his video. randome Jun 2013 #46

i know SwampG8r Jun 2013 #56

For the sake of not further pulling this thread down, I'll just eat this one. randome Jun 2013 #61

"Nonsense" I don't think so... marions ghost Jun 2013 #74

Udall is just assuming -as so many have- that the NSA is gathering bulk data. randome Jun 2013 #77

how would he get the 'evidence' when it's so top top secret that even congresspeople don't HiPointDem Jun 2013 #96

Snowden claimed he could spy on anyone, even the President's email if he wanted. randome Jun 2013 #99

we just view this so differently. cali Jun 2013 #7

There is no doubt Snowden ignited a good debate. randome Jun 2013 #13

the irony of your post is lost on you? Monkie Jun 2013 #12

Where are the reasoned debates on this? randome Jun 2013 #18

reflect on your part in that process? Monkie Jun 2013 #21

So what changes do you think should occur with the NSA? randome Jun 2013 #22

i think that is a topic for another thread? Monkie Jun 2013 #29

The evidence is right there... BrainDrain Jun 2013 #24

Okay, I'm not sure what you're talking about. randome Jun 2013 #25

thanks. it's fine. cali Jun 2013 #35

The outsourcing is a very good subject. randome Jun 2013 #38

Perhaps the Administration should show Coccydynia Jun 2013 #73

K&R n/t OneGrassRoot Jun 2013 #4

True treestar Jun 2013 #6

i want to commend you even though we totally disagree on some of these "abstracts" Monkie Jun 2013 #109

You know, cali, I can tolerate criticism on policy and that's not the issue for me. Skidmore Jun 2013 #9

I think it is easier to focus on one person than 535. cali Jun 2013 #17

Obama asked for it! The caving and reaching across the aisle was very bad judgement. L0oniX Jun 2013 #48

Can you link to some posts that 'blame everything on 'some evil plan of the President'? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #58

What Sabrina said. nt Nay Jun 2013 #98

shared guilt Monkie Jun 2013 #10

Discuss issues, not people. We should support (or attack) policies, not politicians. Scuba Jun 2013 #14

I am able to separate the man from the politician Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #16

It's a good thing ProSense Jun 2013 #19

whoosh. right over your head. cali Jun 2013 #20

Isn't this post contradicting your OP? ProSense Jun 2013 #23

no, it's not. cali Jun 2013 #27

Yes, it is. ProSense Jun 2013 #36

In my opinion, H2O Man Jun 2013 #41

I value your opinion, but ProSense Jun 2013 #49

I've had the pleasure H2O Man Jun 2013 #67

I, for one, have accused this poster of vile behavior. reusrename Jun 2013 #92

I also value the H2O Man Jun 2013 #104

your post was nasty and snarky. I responded to that. cali Jun 2013 #52

What? ProSense Jun 2013 #68

I think the first timdog44 Jun 2013 #26

"Congress deserves at least as much criticism as the President." xtraxritical Jun 2013 #28

Hear, hear! truebluegreen Jun 2013 #30

The Irony is Priceless, "Hon." nt MineralMan Jun 2013 #32

whooshy, whoosh, whoosh. I'm not proclaiming innocence here cali Jun 2013 #39

It would be surprising to know just how many people... peace13 Jun 2013 #33

i am one SwampG8r Jun 2013 #53

One side of this issue does not want to engage on the facts. They want to call people names stevenleser Jun 2013 #57

I am with you maddezmom Jun 2013 #62

disagree on Greenwald and especially Chomsky Enrique Jun 2013 #37

Does Greenwald really have a very personal and ugly animus toward the President, or is it a pose? FarCenter Jun 2013 #40

What he does is write about Civil Liberties issues, that is what he has always done. He was accused sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #47

You know they've found a media niche they can use to drive circulation of their output. FarCenter Jun 2013 #51

Cali, this IS the motive: sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #44

"There were more threads about Snowden personally..." OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #45

So how do you feel about Snowden's poll dancing girlfriend? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #50

Curious that you brought all that up... OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #59

You should seriously consider helping Karl Rove update his techniques. Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #63

Good at what? OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #65

Read your posts. Excellent spin Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #66

Spin? OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #69

Not everything is about you. YOU however, implied that it was incorrect to say that there were more sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #86

The following discussion starting a couple timdog44 Jun 2013 #100

spot on .. du sometimes mimics tmz on steroids xiamiam Jun 2013 #80

When you find someone who resembles the kind of person you are talking about, let me know stevenleser Jun 2013 #54

of course those people exist. I can't name them cali Jun 2013 #81

Oh the ODS'ers are definitely here. Anyone who agrees with this below linked OP is one of them stevenleser Jun 2013 #82

bullpucky. you see what you're biased to see. you just demonstrated that clearly. cali Jun 2013 #87

Au contraire. I linked to show exactly who and what I mean. stevenleser Jun 2013 #88

Yes cali Jun 2013 #91

I've sent that person DUMail asking them to respond. I am happy to do the same to anyone you suggest stevenleser Jun 2013 #93

The title of this thread by the OP is a fake analogy. It is a good sleight of hand though. graham4anything Jun 2013 #95

+ a million Number23 Jun 2013 #107

Maybe it's the rrneck Jun 2013 #55

absolutely, and it really concerns me. What has kept DU different is valuing diversity of opinions, NRaleighLiberal Jun 2013 #64

And I am going to be monotonous. timdog44 Jun 2013 #105

Raising consciousness that ad hominem attacks are largely a distraction is a start. snot Jun 2013 #83

this condition was practically predictable stupidicus Jun 2013 #84

For the first time in months leftynyc Jun 2013 #90

thank you very much. cali Jun 2013 #102

As long as I've been here, DU has had these factions. redgreenandblue Jun 2013 #97

Thanks DonCoquixote Jun 2013 #101

The solution can only be in how the story unfolds carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #103

K&R felix_numinous Jun 2013 #106

Greenwald might be personally unhappy about the negotiations over comprehensive immigration reform Babel_17 Jun 2013 #108

You were doing great and I was ready to rec one of your posts for the first time in a while Fumesucker Jun 2013 #110