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In reply to the discussion: Revealed: the top secret rules that allow NSA to use US data without a warrant [View all]Catherina
(35,568 posts)101. Lol! Cute. There's a concerted effort, from on high down, to play this down
and instead focus on Snowden's *treason* and there's a lot of apathy, just like in PreNazi Germany. People think it won't affect them because they don't think they have anything to hide.
Here's how the coverage here is going.
We get a choice between this:
(Video report) ... One such warrant seen by the Guardian shows that they do not contain detailed legal rulings or explanation. Instead, the one-paragraph order, signed by a FISA court judge in 2010, declares that the procedures submitted by the attorney general on behalf of the NSA are consistent with US law and the fourth amendment. (end clip)
GWEN IFILL, NEWSHOUR: Thank you, Glenn. Now for analysis is Rep. Elmer Fudd, chairman of the House Un-Intelligence Activities Committee. Congressman Fudd?
FUDD: Thank you, Gwen. The surveillance was approved by an act of Congress in 2009 and has had judicial review, so it's perfectly legal. And it has stopped terrorist attacks, lots and lots of them.
GWEN: How do you know?
FUDD: Because Congress, or at least my Committee, or at least me and a few others, have been regularly briefed.
GWEN: When? How often?
FUDD: I can't really say. We're sworn to secrecy. I'd like to keep my first-born child, if I could. But the FISA court did sign off on it
GWEN: They seem to have rubber-stamped it.
FUDD: Can't get more efficient than that, yes sirree.
GWEN: And now, it's pledge week, when PBS turns our programming over to local stations so they can keep programs like this on the air.
http://discussion.guardian.co.uk/comment-permalink/24480665
GWEN IFILL, NEWSHOUR: Thank you, Glenn. Now for analysis is Rep. Elmer Fudd, chairman of the House Un-Intelligence Activities Committee. Congressman Fudd?
FUDD: Thank you, Gwen. The surveillance was approved by an act of Congress in 2009 and has had judicial review, so it's perfectly legal. And it has stopped terrorist attacks, lots and lots of them.
GWEN: How do you know?
FUDD: Because Congress, or at least my Committee, or at least me and a few others, have been regularly briefed.
GWEN: When? How often?
FUDD: I can't really say. We're sworn to secrecy. I'd like to keep my first-born child, if I could. But the FISA court did sign off on it
GWEN: They seem to have rubber-stamped it.
FUDD: Can't get more efficient than that, yes sirree.
GWEN: And now, it's pledge week, when PBS turns our programming over to local stations so they can keep programs like this on the air.
http://discussion.guardian.co.uk/comment-permalink/24480665
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023053750
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Revealed: the top secret rules that allow NSA to use US data without a warrant [View all]
Catherina
Jun 2013
OP
That depends on your interpretation of 3(b)(4), 5(2) and 6(b)(8) of the document.
Pholus
Jun 2013
#145
Every attorney who gives a shit about his or her ethical obligations to clients should
HardTimes99
Jun 2013
#146
this is _it_ there is no escaping this now, this is willful misinterpretation of the intent
Monkie
Jun 2013
#12
And, I guess, some of the analysts work for Booz Allen which I hear is owned by the Carlyle
byeya
Jun 2013
#3
You nailed that part of it. We are paying for all of this and Bushco makes the profit n/t
Catherina
Jun 2013
#4
Or where John Edwards was going to meet his mistress, and Ellitiot Spitzer, and and and
Catherina
Jun 2013
#11
I've decided to look on the bright side. Soviet jokes *were* falling out of fashion.
Pholus
Jun 2013
#8
Only two hours? The CIA advisor probably said, "Let's wrap this up." That always works with a mummy.
randome
Jun 2013
#20
so you two doing the classic derailment or you actually going to say anything on topic?
Monkie
Jun 2013
#25
because 3 of the points make a circular argument, breaking the seeming intent of the law
Monkie
Jun 2013
#9
data/content from a US machine, im sorry, if you cant see this there just is no hope for you
Monkie
Jun 2013
#19
i never used the word bullshit, or called constitutional lawyers with harvard education a joke
Monkie
Jun 2013
#31
The domestic communication section in the doc states that inadvertent collections are
BenzoDia
Jun 2013
#21
Well then the Guardian needs to produce some FBI docs to back up their claims of abuse.
BenzoDia
Jun 2013
#28
The Guardian doesn't seem to be in the business of producing anything concrete
railsback
Jun 2013
#40
With their painfully long walls of text to beat their average readers into agreement.
BenzoDia
Jun 2013
#46
i can relate to that, for me its not the personal attacks, its the casual racism and
Monkie
Jun 2013
#73
Have any Military Intel Lawyers arrived yet? They're all over twitter blowing a gasket
Catherina
Jun 2013
#68
we had/have a pretend lawyer here, not sure if they were intel or not, stupid yes
Monkie
Jun 2013
#72
the bbc is ignoring this too, so similar, but without advertising or captain crunch
Monkie
Jun 2013
#107
No kidding. If it wasn't a Guardian article, I'd suspect that the NSA purposely leaked those to
BenzoDia
Jun 2013
#54
a day ago it was, we never target americans by accident to, oh well, we guess and go by a 51% chance
Monkie
Jun 2013
#92
This needs to be its own OP, imo. Very powerful stuff you've written here and it
HardTimes99
Jun 2013
#152
Yeah, I saw it and am glad he made it an OP. Thanks for the heads-up! - nt
HardTimes99
Jun 2013
#186
"heaviest users of PGP-encrypted email are lawyers handling confidential, privileged attorney-client
Catherina
Jun 2013
#117
"exceptionally grave damage" v "serious damage" if made public and means of collection
Catherina
Jun 2013
#93
If they're contacting overseas they're fair game, even if a reasonable suspicion.
Catherina
Jun 2013
#116
No, I am not a racist hater. I am a self-hating Black hater. Whatever the fuck that is
Catherina
Jun 2013
#129
You mean like the unravelling of OWS? Lol! When you make predictions like this I
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#161
no worries, and yes it was pretty harsh, but you arent being called a racist either?
Monkie
Jun 2013
#170
Inadvertently! Well, that covers a lot. It gives a perfect excuse to those who are caught
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#159
Not to worry, soon they won't have to hide anything anymore. With some on the 'left' now joining the
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#174
Is "Inadvertantly" like "Collateral Damage"? "Unfortunate Civilan Deaths"? "Acts of God"?
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jun 2013
#172