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hfojvt

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30. not necessarily

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:57 AM

Jun 2013

If Clinton had been defeated in 1992, that would have prevented some of the DLC-ization of the party. It might also have prevented the bloodbath of 1994. Now there is no such thing as Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich. There is no Contract On America. After two terms of Bush Sr. their heir apparent is Dan Quayle. So maybe Quayle gets defeated by Gore in 1996 and Gore has two terms. Or somebody else. Maybe Bill Bradley gets elected in 1996.

Clinton's victory certainly advanced the DLC. They showed that the DLC way could win, Clinton spent 8 years as head of the party, and spent 8 years making the Democratic Party message that much more conservative. He kept trying to "out-Republican" the Republicans.

Would NAFTA have passed without Clinton pushing it?

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For those that do not like Bill and Hillary Clinton- IMAGINE [View all] graham4anything Jun 2013 OP

Strawman argument Mass Jun 2013 #1

not necessarily hfojvt Jun 2013 #30

That's not what "strawman argument" means. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #36

I remember when Bill was painted as a racist in the '08 primaries. The Link Jun 2013 #2

GHWB's favorability was in the 40s by the end of 1991 karynnj Jun 2013 #3

Mea Culpa- I apologize to you and the other John Kerry group people...read- graham4anything Jun 2013 #5

My comments had nothing to do with Kerry, but I do appeciate your comments karynnj Jun 2013 #34

What if your mother had married someone else? magellan Jun 2013 #4

John Lennon was MAINSTREAM. he was NOT an extremist. And he said it all in Revolution. graham4anything Jun 2013 #6

Lennon recorded two versions of Revolution 'count me out' and 'count me in' just like one records Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #8

Nixon was brought into power by Eisenhower, and the protests unknowingly elected him in 1968,1972 graham4anything Jun 2013 #12

You ducked the point as usual. magellan Jun 2013 #20

It's an analogy for what will be in 2016. Think of the ghosts Scrooge graham4anything Jun 2013 #23

I don't see any analogy magellan Jun 2013 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author magellan Jun 2013 #20

Remember the things said by Obama boosters about Hillary? She was a racist monster. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #7

more division. We are at the gateway to heaven and hell in 2016...SCOTUS is all that matters graham4anything Jun 2013 #10

So, do you think the Clintons are racists? The Link Jun 2013 #11

That nonresponsive routine is rude and dismissive. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #14

Political boogie men are still boogie men, i.e. imaginary. nt bemildred Jun 2013 #9

But Jeb Bush and Rand Paul, as we well know are REAL, and they are coming (together not apart). WAR graham4anything Jun 2013 #13

It is not a realistic scenario that you paint, as others have pointed out. bemildred Jun 2013 #15

the early bird catches the worm, and Jeb Bush and Rand Paul is a worm. graham4anything Jun 2013 #16

Oy. bemildred Jun 2013 #19

Another 7 point field goal for the Salad Man!! nt Bonobo Jun 2013 #17

Actually 7.5 points. It was 2.5x a normal field goal. The Link Jun 2013 #18

80-20 is the new 9-9-9. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jun 2013 #22

another ad hominem. The day of the week must end in Y? graham4anything Jun 2013 #24

score. ucrdem Jun 2013 #27

Rec. ucrdem Jun 2013 #25

Imagine a world without insane blithering. hobbit709 Jun 2013 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author graham4anything Jun 2013 #28

Re-post from a thread for picking WARREN or Hillary. & calling Dems "BushPaulNader" is jerky. UTUSN Jun 2013 #29

I find your ideas intriguing MattBaggins Jun 2013 #31

I don't have a news letter, just posts here.(advanced search brings older posts up) graham4anything Jun 2013 #32

People have very good reasons to not like Bill or Hill. NCTraveler Jun 2013 #35

No. More. Clintons. Proud Public Servant Jun 2013 #37

41 was not the face of evil. LWolf Jun 2013 #38

Hear, hear! Well said! [n/t] Proud Public Servant Jun 2013 #39