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liberal_at_heart

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92. does that mean I'm not allowed to criticize Hillary either? Come on. Whatever happened to

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:07 PM

Jun 2013

criticizing somone based on their stand on the issues? I don't like that Hillary has taken so much money from lobbyists. She did fight hard for true universal healthcare not this insurance backed ACA and she did fight for special education which I like. But I want someone who will fund all of K-12, not just special education and not just math and science like Obama wants to do. Howard Dean has a lot of moderate views on issues. He is fiscally conservative and in a time when we need investment in the public sector I'm not sure I would like him either. I do like his grassroots fundraising efforts. I want a liberal. Someone who will spend money on public education. Someone who will fight lobbyists and reform campaign finance. Is that somone Dean or Hillary? I don't know. but I will tell you I will make my decision based on the issues, not on race or gender. I will not automatically vote for Hillary just because we are the same gender. She has to earn my vote just like every other politician and right now none of the democrats in the White House or the Congress are earning my vote.

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You Might Be A Racist, Not For Valid Obama Criticisms, But For Posting Rightwing Obama Smears [View all] KittyWampus Jun 2013 OP

Firebaggers = Teabaggers BumRushDaShow Jun 2013 #1

Is the NSA dragnetting millions of peoples phone data a bogus scandal? allin99 Jun 2013 #2

We've known they were doing phone data collection and archiving... gcomeau Jun 2013 #8

just a couple of questions regarding that... allin99 Jun 2013 #12

No they're not racist gcomeau Jun 2013 #16

okay, even though i disagree on... allin99 Jun 2013 #34

I didn't "already" know. tblue Jun 2013 #45

Don't agree lark Jun 2013 #151

The meme Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #97

So it's not a scandal, then? Is that what you're saying? Th1onein Jun 2013 #35

Sigh. gcomeau Jun 2013 #63

And, according to you, this program is legal because we have new laws, right? truebluegreen Jun 2013 #94

and are the laws legal? MNBrewer Jun 2013 #95

My point exactly. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #111

In other words... gcomeau Jun 2013 #119

*****AMEN!!!********** uponit7771 Jun 2013 #125

Oh puhleeze... truebluegreen Jun 2013 #136

They ARE doing warrantless wiretapping, by their own admission. Th1onein Jun 2013 #211

Are you certain of that? quakerboy Jun 2013 #224

^^^K&R^^^^ nt Progressive dog Jun 2013 #57

He signed it, he supports it, he owns it. Maven Jun 2013 #67

No, not same as Bush. gcomeau Jun 2013 #70

Yes, it's all been made "legal" now. Maven Jun 2013 #71

Performing the surveillance WITH A WARRANT gcomeau Jun 2013 #83

sorry but backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #113

Go ahead and be not cool with it. *I'M not cool with it. gcomeau Jun 2013 #117

no you're wrong backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #122

No, I'm not. gcomeau Jun 2013 #123

and here we see why our country is falling apart backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #127

Lack of basic reading comprehension? Yeah, could be. gcomeau Jun 2013 #131

insulting people really turns people to your PoV backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #146

You mean... gcomeau Jun 2013 #173

There is no need to get hung up on semantics. Whether we call it a "scandal" or something else it is totodeinhere Jun 2013 #141

Exactly. treestar Jun 2013 #158

You need to go back to the book.. Or "I dont think that word means what you think it means" quakerboy Jun 2013 #225

"Search everyone for anything" is still an illegal search. MNBrewer Jun 2013 #115

Which isn't being done. -eom gcomeau Jun 2013 #118

Yes, it is. MNBrewer Jun 2013 #139

All of a sudden?...WTF? zeemike Jun 2013 #72

Congress has refused to allow the President to close Gitmo or Agnosticsherbet Jun 2013 #112

It is the same old good cop bad cop argument. zeemike Jun 2013 #132

So the problem is Obama didn't disovle Congress and become a beneficant dicator. n/t Agnosticsherbet Jun 2013 #169

No the problem is he did not use the bully pulpit zeemike Jun 2013 #178

So you think he could use the bully pulpit and sway Congress with public opinion? Agnosticsherbet Jun 2013 #182

Well tell me when Obama called for raising the taxes on the rich zeemike Jun 2013 #184

Here you go. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2013 #188

Oh right I remember the Buffet rule zeemike Jun 2013 #192

The Republicans are not concerned with public opinion Agnosticsherbet Jun 2013 #223

He had a democratic congress for the first two years. zeemike Jun 2013 #233

Sorry but you are wrong. Really for only TWO MONTHS. Tx4obama Jun 2013 #238

Serious, serious props to you for your efforts in this thread Number23 Jun 2013 #212

He has not done one thing about the economy or joblessness duffyduff Jun 2013 #253

Yes we know that this has been going on. But some of us were naive enough to think that if we totodeinhere Jun 2013 #138

Yep. 'Tis true. This story was merely confirmation of what we knew already... Honeycombe8 Jun 2013 #222

What if you supported Obama in order to change this policy? n/t eridani Jun 2013 #240

the initial "scandal" was obama voting to let the telecom companies off the hook. tomp Jun 2013 #246

define phone data snooper2 Jun 2013 #20

what number you are calling, when and for how long. allin99 Jun 2013 #39

thank you snooper2 Jun 2013 #42

saved in code or not, the gov't is obtaining, and storing all of your phone activity. allin99 Jun 2013 #60

what do you mean saved in code? snooper2 Jun 2013 #62

someone has to retreive that information... allin99 Jun 2013 #91

that's not heaven05 Jun 2013 #28

even *if* people were "buying into scandal"... allin99 Jun 2013 #55

racism heaven05 Jun 2013 #75

give obama a chance to make changes to not only this program... allin99 Jun 2013 #86

i agree heaven05 Jun 2013 #96

But you see if you thorugh it in that bag with the horseshit. zeemike Jun 2013 #82

you can have 1 relevant issue... allin99 Jun 2013 #89

Yes zeemike Jun 2013 #99

Is the NSA dragnetting millions of peoples phone data a bogus scandal? The CCC Jun 2013 #41

Yes, it was a bogus scandal. pnwmom Jun 2013 #58

i don't like having my personal activity obtained and stored... allin99 Jun 2013 #80

Yes. It's a legal question. treestar Jun 2013 #155

and the loopholes in the law could create "scandals" for decades. allin99 Jun 2013 #157

To me it's not scandalous unless there is no legal question open treestar Jun 2013 #168

it's not about legal illegal, we know obama didn't do anything illegal... allin99 Jun 2013 #170

that system was there from inception of the FISA treestar Jun 2013 #171

"I don't think them having access to the metadata is as scary as some here find it to be" ... allin99 Jun 2013 #172

So if I know that you called a suicide hotline but didn't listen to the call-- eridani Jun 2013 #241

i don't like him because he's a politician datasuspect Jun 2013 #3

+1. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2013 #15

Could you please point out one instance of your having criticized the President cali Jun 2013 #4

The OP is the second post I have seen today where someone surprised me by posting that they rhett o rick Jun 2013 #17

well, maybe the author has been critical of the President, but I can't find cali Jun 2013 #36

Cali, why don't you search my journal from DU v. 2. And btw, whether I do or don't post my criticism KittyWampus Jun 2013 #218

I noticed that too Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #47

I've never seen one, either. /nt Marr Jun 2013 #22

this OP is by a diehard BOGer quinnox Jun 2013 #48

what is bog? allin99 Jun 2013 #93

Barrack Obama Group. Marr Jun 2013 #124

should be "groupie", lol. allin99 Jun 2013 #133

Jury results. Inkfreak Jun 2013 #163

you can't even spell the President's name correctly. I MAY have been in the BOG years ago in DU v.2 KittyWampus Jun 2013 #221

I merely described what the BOG is. Or rather was, when it was relevant. Marr Jun 2013 #226

"you can't even spell the President's name correctly" RetroLounge Jun 2013 #229

Been here far longer than you have and I have no fucking idea what BOGer is. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #220

Been here longer than you have. Try searching my journal on DU2. And whether I post criticisms on DU KittyWampus Jun 2013 #219

I've been here since 2001. Marr Jun 2013 #227

I'm waiting, too Aerows Jun 2013 #30

You know what Cali, I have been here since DU v.1. On DU v. 2 I had issues with his economic team KittyWampus Jun 2013 #217

Agree. ananda Jun 2013 #5

if it's "disrepectful" toward other dems is that racism? allin99 Jun 2013 #9

Valid criticism Aerows Jun 2013 #24

Who is going to let us know the "scandals" are "bogus"? Fumesucker Jun 2013 #6

We will. We are BOG. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #37

The only post with 100% truth I've seen from a BOrG BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #81

Everyone can decide themselves, after waiting a few days to see how the truth shakes out. pnwmom Jun 2013 #66

Who has been "jumping at Republican bait."? In the last couple of days, people have rhett o rick Jun 2013 #78

Speculation after a death is pointless till the facts come in. pnwmom Jun 2013 #110

Speculation is never pointless. It would be good if we had a button to push rhett o rick Jun 2013 #145

Watch FOX news for 15 minutes then get back to us on that one AgingAmerican Jun 2013 #153

If you are trying to make a point, I guess I miss it. You dont believe in speculation? nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #159

Whipping up suspicion about Obama on every front imaginable is what Fox specializes in. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #187

You just have to make me guess what the point is. I dont have a clue what this post and post 153 rhett o rick Jun 2013 #194

watch FOX news for 15 minutes AgingAmerican Jun 2013 #198

Your point? nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #206

See post #145 AgingAmerican Jun 2013 #236

Here's the deal. I am not going on a post hunt and try to figure out your point. You either have a rhett o rick Jun 2013 #239

In the context of all the fake scandals we've had since Benghazi, pnwmom Jun 2013 #199

I wont let Fox dictate whether I will speculate or not. I am free to speculate and I can tell the rhett o rick Jun 2013 #207

Like all of that stuff Greenwald said about the President lying about the NSA program last week. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #108

You have laid your finger on a subsidiary but not insignificant concern: we have HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #135

K & R. n/t FSogol Jun 2013 #7

The NSA is not a bogus scandal. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #10

It seems to me Aerows Jun 2013 #18

Except that, unfortunately, I don't know that the folks pushing the racism label Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #31

I was against it under Bush Aerows Jun 2013 #32

Is esalated drone warfare bogus? Social security cuts? Civil rights for gays? The Link Jun 2013 #11

killing a u.s. citizen without due process? a brown... allin99 Jun 2013 #235

Yet another Meta thread. n/t demmiblue Jun 2013 #13

This entire board Aerows Jun 2013 #14

It's more than one thing he has done against voters who believed what he said. L0oniX Jun 2013 #40

It's more than one thing Aerows Jun 2013 #50

That is it to a T. morningfog Jun 2013 #59

YOU'RE an example of a reasonable Obama CRITIC? Pardon me, but... Marr Jun 2013 #19

so because you think PRISM is a bogus scandal that means I have to agree with you or I'm an Obama liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #21

Who posts things from Breitbart? progressoid Jun 2013 #23

Here, reworded from breitbart Progressive dog Jun 2013 #101

Looks like that's from The Atlantic. progressoid Jun 2013 #121

try Breitbart they've got it too Progressive dog Jun 2013 #130

So does USA Today and CNN progressoid Jun 2013 #149

I call bullshit mick063 Jun 2013 #25

It may be irritating BainsBane Jun 2013 #26

I know. Take that Tom Tomorrow for example. He's totally "bought into" the NSA "bogus scandal". Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #27

How about using Rasmussen polling to smear the President? msanthrope Jun 2013 #29

I dont know what to make of this OP. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #33

You might be a worshipper zombie if you never agree with legit criticisms. L0oniX Jun 2013 #38

Holy Cow Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #43

You might be an ignorant asshole whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #44

+100 RetroLounge Jun 2013 #231

Is pointing out that Obama's nominee for FBI Director, James Comey, signed HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #46

Hit and Run??? n-t Logical Jun 2013 #49

This tripe is indefensible stupidity. I don't blame them for running. morningfog Jun 2013 #53

makes you wonder then Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #87

Probably just flame bait, with hopes of stifling dissent. Who knows? morningfog Jun 2013 #88

Here is how this all went down, as far as I can tell: demmiblue Jun 2013 #126

Perfect analysis. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #197

You know why threads like this are helpful? PDittie Jun 2013 #51

Oh my god. Give it a fucking rest.This racist under every rock bullshit morningfog Jun 2013 #52

+100. n/t Skip Intro Jun 2013 #56

Nope. None of that demonstrates racism. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #54

I just take issues with liberals who claim that by virtue of them being liberal, they can't Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #61

I don't think it's fair to 'call' anyone a racist on DU. randome Jun 2013 #68

I"M NOT CALLING ANYONE RACIST! I'm saying that I've SEEN racism here on DU. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #74

I wasn't saying you were. I was talking about all the threads going up on the subject. randome Jun 2013 #76

It is often difficult to provide evidence of subconscious racism. People think that only Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #105

I think subconscious racism is a HUGE issue. I believe that's what we're referring to here. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #140

True One of the 99 Jun 2013 #73

You said: "they couldn't handle a woman or minority who was an equal"... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #77

does that mean I'm not allowed to criticize Hillary either? Come on. Whatever happened to liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #92

Again, it's not about *legitimate* criticisms at all. Sigh... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #102

well I would guess we probably disagree about what legitimate means. liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #116

I never stated that the NSA scandal is bogus. Where did I write that? You must be responding to Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #137

This message was self-deleted by its author liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #142

I'm sure you would agree however that bona fide liberals are much less likely to be totodeinhere Jun 2013 #148

I agree that EVERYONE is far less likely to be racists than the Teabaggers. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #176

Disingenuous post that starts with a big lie ("I certainly do") Maven Jun 2013 #64

I'm a black man pissed off about the NSA spying. Apophis Jun 2013 #65

Absolutely not. The OP is not referring to legitimate criticisms of the president. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #79

What?!? whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #84

Sounds to me like an opinion. Why not debate that. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #103

The OP is attacking a strawman AgingAmerican Jun 2013 #109

Yep, the problem is that it's hard to find legitimate ones posted here treestar Jun 2013 #160

LOL, great point!! I guess the OP thinks you are a black racist. Rare I admit. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #128

ditto...black female who is critical of politicians noiretextatique Jun 2013 #147

tritto, another black female that is tired of a bunch of young white people... allin99 Jun 2013 #237

it's absolutely ridiculous noiretextatique Jun 2013 #256

that would make you self loathing.. frylock Jun 2013 #179

There are definitely Obama haters here but that doesn't mean their racists One of the 99 Jun 2013 #69

I don't know why people keep talking about the "extreme left" truebluegreen Jun 2013 #107

I never said anything about communists. One of the 99 Jun 2013 #174

as is conflating FDR dems with the "extreme left" frylock Jun 2013 #180

Very true, and thank you. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #183

I wasn't One of the 99 Jun 2013 #185

you may not have, but the OP certainly has.. frylock Jun 2013 #189

So reply to them One of the 99 Jun 2013 #195

Communists ARE the extreme left. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #181

And I never said a word about communists One of the 99 Jun 2013 #186

Quoting you, "There are definitely Obama haters here.... truebluegreen Jun 2013 #191

Again you dishonestly put words in my mouth. One of the 99 Jun 2013 #196

No, dear, the dictionary does that. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #200

Nice try! One of the 99 Jun 2013 #204

Simple test number two. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #85

I have HUGE issues obama2terms Jun 2013 #90

utter bullshit Enrique Jun 2013 #98

I don't think real liberals are posting stuff from Breitbart. Cleita Jun 2013 #100

You left one out AgingAmerican Jun 2013 #104

Pathetic OP. Stinkin' up he joint. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #106

And you might be racist for blanket accusations of racism AgingAmerican Jun 2013 #114

Racism? flying rabbit Jun 2013 #120

That's not "racist". It's stupid.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #129

The only RW connection I've observed... HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #134

Thanks for posting this, Kitty. Firebrand Gary Jun 2013 #143

bull...shit noiretextatique Jun 2013 #144

+ Sissyk Jun 2013 #166

indeed, Sissyk...i just got an email from Hatewatch noiretextatique Jun 2013 #177

Boolean logic might be helpful here Android3.14 Jun 2013 #150

So now the determination of our opinions on race Savannahmann Jun 2013 #152

Well said treestar Jun 2013 #154

Yep. GoCubsGo Jun 2013 #165

What scandals? I have yet to see a single example of the Benghazi crap or the IRS crap-- eridani Jun 2013 #243

It's not a scandal; it's a legal issue treestar Jun 2013 #249

Yes, a law just like Citizens United eridani Jun 2013 #251

Citizens United is the law right now treestar Jun 2013 #254

Obama is an undercover Republican, limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #156

Obama's been undercover for 5 years? Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #161

Were criticisms of Clinton bombing Kosovo or pushing NAFTA 'racist'? Matariki Jun 2013 #162

K&R rury Jun 2013 #164

Scandal meanit Jun 2013 #167

& No rec's from any gungeoneers I recognize Kolesar Jun 2013 #175

So only gungeoneers think the OP is bull shit? hack89 Jun 2013 #190

Is it possible to dislike the Obama Administration and not be a racist? (nt) nessa Jun 2013 #193

The o.p. just answered yes to that question. Reading "comprehension" is fundamental. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #201

And WHO determines what is or isn't a "bogus scandal"? bvar22 Jun 2013 #202

Most Obama criticisms ARE RW Obama smears nt karmalk Jun 2013 #203

most criticism of "obama criticisms" is utter stinking bullcrap... tomp Jun 2013 #247

ps: what just occurred to me... tomp Jun 2013 #248

Got to watch it when someone posts a source from a Repuke site. Rex Jun 2013 #205

Racisim as a joke Piasladic Jun 2013 #208

I'll post my concerns, irregardless of whether some Republican somewhere wrote it first or not. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #209

With BROAD NET like yours...... DeSwiss Jun 2013 #210

My ideas about society, politics, and government cheapdate Jun 2013 #213

So to turn your last point around on you: JoeyT Jun 2013 #214

Who would assume that? It's obviously false. cheapdate Jun 2013 #216

The person who did that "Berlin then and now" thread should be laughed off the board Number23 Jun 2013 #215

You're so right... Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #234

Oh for frack's sake. Daemonaquila Jun 2013 #228

Joy Reid said this on Hardball (I'm paraphrasing) BrainMann1 Jun 2013 #230

I see. You don't consider reinstating New Deal legislation as "something to do"? eridani Jun 2013 #244

You might be an idiot RetroLounge Jun 2013 #232

you are truly on one desperate roll tonight. that's ok though, i find it quite entertaining! boilerbabe Jun 2013 #242

This is a mess. sibelian Jun 2013 #245

These "you're a racist if" threads sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #250

Oh, for Pete's sake. duffyduff Jun 2013 #252

I wish I had your special insight into other people's inner motivations. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #255