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In reply to the discussion: Misogyny, sexism, racism, homophobia, transphobia, etc. and unconscious internalization. [View all]sibelian
(7,804 posts)3. No. I'm afraid that's not true.
It's certainly convenient to pretend it is, but you'll notice that the benefit from sustaining that position is that you don't need to be able to demonstrate it because it's "unconscious".
It's an avoidance strategy. The structure it proposes only appears (originally somewhat mysteriously) in cases where there are alternative explanations for the percieved "sexism" and the position is adopted only because the alternative explanations need to be managed out of the way to avoid painful criticisms which are "unfair". Typically the perception of unfairness is actually totally illogical and amounts to little more than "why should X minority have to feel even more bad", which is baby-thinking.
Sexism, racism, homophobia, these are all conscious processes, the unconscious does not habitally discriminate along the grounds of gender, race or sexual orientation, it isn't sufficently complex. Also, it isn't anywhere near as programmable as the conscious mind. It doesn't pick up signals from external sources and internalise them. It generates cognitive structures and manipulates them. It's only people who don't fully undertsand the nature of the unconscious that project their fears onto it and pretend it is a secret laboratory of prejudice. It's the conscious mind that does the thinking, not the unconscious.
Your postulate enables you to imagine you understand what someone else thinks better than they do, that's all. It's driven by a nebulous, unfocussed desire to get the better of people.
Trust me. I know what I'm talking about. I used to do exactly the same thing myself.
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Misogyny, sexism, racism, homophobia, transphobia, etc. and unconscious internalization. [View all]
redqueen
Jun 2013
OP
here and in this conversation I lump them together as one outputs to the other
galileoreloaded
Jun 2013
#59
Based on the fact that it is 2013, and we are only now seeing a noticeable pushback
redqueen
Jun 2013
#8
All true, yet none of that negates the importance of striving to improve society
redqueen
Jun 2013
#66
No, I didn't. I didn't rec KW's "you might be a racist" thread for reasons which should be clear.
redqueen
Jun 2013
#24
You are assuming that refers to ANY and ALL criticism. That is your mistake. nt
redqueen
Jun 2013
#36
These things are all real. But now is a terrible time to try and discuss them seriously.
dawg
Jun 2013
#31
I had wanted to avoid specific incidents but since this keeps coming up I'll just say this.
redqueen
Jun 2013
#42
Thank you so much for this. I wish that people, rather than being so defensive, would try and
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#55