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In reply to the discussion: Revealed: the top secret rules that allow NSA to use US data without a warrant [View all]MisterP
(23,730 posts)156. Wyden said this in '11: "secret interpretation" of the law
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/05/secret-patriot-act/
and what's more important, then, isn't what they do with the data but the fact that they *can* collect it, and do so with *impunity*: blackmail is nothing compared to building a total paralegal wall to operate behind: same thing with the Cold War and Iran-Contra, same thing with Menem's total pardon of the Dirty War (in that case, arresting those with Freud and Lacan on their shelves as part of the Commie-Judeo-Masonic plot to undermine the Christian worldview was *secondary*)
power would lie not in pushing through sweeping laws like the "Patriot" Act, but in the power to make Star-Chamber secret interpretations and then take secret action and make secret institutions based on that self-made interpretation: there'd be nothing between the elite, establishment, and Beltway hegemonic ideas and their enforcement: these ideas, I might add, has brought us Vietnam, the mujahideen, Zia, 200K dead Central Americans, and buyouts of Middle Eastern kidnappers in the 80s and the commercialization of everything, the race to the bottom, Afghanistan, and Iraq in the 90s and 00s
they can secretly hire whatever Paulbots, Randroids, foaming Islamophobes, total-agreement lackeys, centurion wannabes, and Jonestowners with no line to cross as their spies and trainers (though one has shown us how he discovered his conscience and found lines he wouldn't cross)
and what's more important, then, isn't what they do with the data but the fact that they *can* collect it, and do so with *impunity*: blackmail is nothing compared to building a total paralegal wall to operate behind: same thing with the Cold War and Iran-Contra, same thing with Menem's total pardon of the Dirty War (in that case, arresting those with Freud and Lacan on their shelves as part of the Commie-Judeo-Masonic plot to undermine the Christian worldview was *secondary*)
power would lie not in pushing through sweeping laws like the "Patriot" Act, but in the power to make Star-Chamber secret interpretations and then take secret action and make secret institutions based on that self-made interpretation: there'd be nothing between the elite, establishment, and Beltway hegemonic ideas and their enforcement: these ideas, I might add, has brought us Vietnam, the mujahideen, Zia, 200K dead Central Americans, and buyouts of Middle Eastern kidnappers in the 80s and the commercialization of everything, the race to the bottom, Afghanistan, and Iraq in the 90s and 00s
they can secretly hire whatever Paulbots, Randroids, foaming Islamophobes, total-agreement lackeys, centurion wannabes, and Jonestowners with no line to cross as their spies and trainers (though one has shown us how he discovered his conscience and found lines he wouldn't cross)
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Revealed: the top secret rules that allow NSA to use US data without a warrant [View all]
Catherina
Jun 2013
OP
That depends on your interpretation of 3(b)(4), 5(2) and 6(b)(8) of the document.
Pholus
Jun 2013
#145
Every attorney who gives a shit about his or her ethical obligations to clients should
HardTimes99
Jun 2013
#146
this is _it_ there is no escaping this now, this is willful misinterpretation of the intent
Monkie
Jun 2013
#12
And, I guess, some of the analysts work for Booz Allen which I hear is owned by the Carlyle
byeya
Jun 2013
#3
You nailed that part of it. We are paying for all of this and Bushco makes the profit n/t
Catherina
Jun 2013
#4
Or where John Edwards was going to meet his mistress, and Ellitiot Spitzer, and and and
Catherina
Jun 2013
#11
I've decided to look on the bright side. Soviet jokes *were* falling out of fashion.
Pholus
Jun 2013
#8
Only two hours? The CIA advisor probably said, "Let's wrap this up." That always works with a mummy.
randome
Jun 2013
#20
so you two doing the classic derailment or you actually going to say anything on topic?
Monkie
Jun 2013
#25
because 3 of the points make a circular argument, breaking the seeming intent of the law
Monkie
Jun 2013
#9
data/content from a US machine, im sorry, if you cant see this there just is no hope for you
Monkie
Jun 2013
#19
i never used the word bullshit, or called constitutional lawyers with harvard education a joke
Monkie
Jun 2013
#31
The domestic communication section in the doc states that inadvertent collections are
BenzoDia
Jun 2013
#21
Well then the Guardian needs to produce some FBI docs to back up their claims of abuse.
BenzoDia
Jun 2013
#28
The Guardian doesn't seem to be in the business of producing anything concrete
railsback
Jun 2013
#40
With their painfully long walls of text to beat their average readers into agreement.
BenzoDia
Jun 2013
#46
i can relate to that, for me its not the personal attacks, its the casual racism and
Monkie
Jun 2013
#73
Have any Military Intel Lawyers arrived yet? They're all over twitter blowing a gasket
Catherina
Jun 2013
#68
we had/have a pretend lawyer here, not sure if they were intel or not, stupid yes
Monkie
Jun 2013
#72
the bbc is ignoring this too, so similar, but without advertising or captain crunch
Monkie
Jun 2013
#107
No kidding. If it wasn't a Guardian article, I'd suspect that the NSA purposely leaked those to
BenzoDia
Jun 2013
#54
a day ago it was, we never target americans by accident to, oh well, we guess and go by a 51% chance
Monkie
Jun 2013
#92
This needs to be its own OP, imo. Very powerful stuff you've written here and it
HardTimes99
Jun 2013
#152
Yeah, I saw it and am glad he made it an OP. Thanks for the heads-up! - nt
HardTimes99
Jun 2013
#186
"heaviest users of PGP-encrypted email are lawyers handling confidential, privileged attorney-client
Catherina
Jun 2013
#117
"exceptionally grave damage" v "serious damage" if made public and means of collection
Catherina
Jun 2013
#93
If they're contacting overseas they're fair game, even if a reasonable suspicion.
Catherina
Jun 2013
#116
No, I am not a racist hater. I am a self-hating Black hater. Whatever the fuck that is
Catherina
Jun 2013
#129
You mean like the unravelling of OWS? Lol! When you make predictions like this I
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#161
no worries, and yes it was pretty harsh, but you arent being called a racist either?
Monkie
Jun 2013
#170
Inadvertently! Well, that covers a lot. It gives a perfect excuse to those who are caught
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#159
Not to worry, soon they won't have to hide anything anymore. With some on the 'left' now joining the
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#174
Is "Inadvertantly" like "Collateral Damage"? "Unfortunate Civilan Deaths"? "Acts of God"?
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jun 2013
#172