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Tommy_Carcetti

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24. "Big city teenager" talk aside....
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 03:37 PM
Jun 2013

Think about it for a second. You allege that Trayvon was the aggressor and Zimmerman was the one acting out of fear. It's not too hard to draw reasonable inferences here. Let's look at Person A and Person B.

Person A: Walking back from the store where he bought snacks. He's in a neighborhood that not actually his own home neighborhood and that he's not completely familiar with. Other than the family that he's staying with, he doesn't know anyone in the neighborhood. He hasn't actually done anything that could be considered criminal activity. He sees a car slowly follow him as he's walking back. Then he sees the driver get out of the car and start to chase him. He has no idea who this person is or why he would be chasing him.

Person B: Lived in the neighborhood for several years. Appointed himself neighborhood watchman of the area. Has a CCW. Repeatedly made calls to police about various activity in the neighborhood, some of which was criminal, some of which wasn't. Sees Person A. Doesn't actually witness Person A do anything that could be construed criminal, but still calls the police. Tells dispatch that Person A is "up to no good" and "looks like he's on drugs" based solely on the way that he is walking (putting aside for a minute Person A's demographics and how that might playing into profiling, just to give Person B the benefit of the doubt.) He knows police are on the way; he called them. He still decides to get out of the car, armed with a gun. As he gets out of the car, he says, "These assholes, they always get away' and "fucking punks" (again, benefit of the doubt there.) When dispatch asks if he is following Person A, he says yes. Dispatch tells him he shouldn't. Tells dispatch to have police call him instead of meeting him at his car.

These are all pretty much indisputable facts in evidence, leaving out areas where it is more speculative.

Now, you tell me , based on those two profiles, who is more logically likely to be the aggressor, Person A or Person B? Be honest.

You can talk about "testosterone" "libido", "pride" and "lack of good sense" all you like. Perhaps if Zimmerman and Martin both lived in the same neighborhood and had some prior beef with one another, and Zimmerman started chasing him one night and lost him, then it might make sense that Trayvon doubled back to start a fight. But these two were total strangers. Trayvon had no idea whatsoever who Zimmerman was, why he was chasing him, or what his intentions were. Unless Trayvon Martin was just a raving lunatic prone to attacking strangers (no evidence of that being the case), it would make no sense for him to double back and attack his pursuer after having lost him. None. Testosterone can't explain that basic common sense away.

Regarding your question, even before I saw this video I believe it was quite possible that, after having lost Zimmerman, Trayvon may have hid out for a couple of minutes, just to make sure the coast was clear before continuing to head home. It would make sense to wait a minute or two before re-exposing yourself out in the open, where you had just been chased.

This is all classic flight or fight psychology, basically innate to the human sense regardless of who you are. Whether you are a grown adult, or, in your words, a "big city teenager."

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Bookmarking to watch later. Thanks. n/t Little Star Jun 2013 #1
Ditto. sinkingfeeling Jun 2013 #2
this confirms my theory grok Jun 2013 #3
Why would Trayvon double back? Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #4
those theories only makes sense noiretextatique Jun 2013 #5
We can assume zimmerman is lying. no problemo grok Jun 2013 #7
so you u are claiming it took 4 minutes to chase trayvon at most 20 feet? grok Jun 2013 #6
"remember we are talking about a big city teenager. not everything they do makes sense" Sheldon Cooper Jun 2013 #8
If you always made sense as a teenager you were exceptional. grok Jun 2013 #9
Sure, but you were the one that advised us to remember that Trayvon was a Sheldon Cooper Jun 2013 #10
just added that for drama grok Jun 2013 #11
So, you're stirring up racial shit? Sheldon Cooper Jun 2013 #12
Actually you seem to be the one bring to race into the argument Lurks Often Jun 2013 #13
Mr. Lee Atwater, everybody. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #14
Yawn. That the best you can do? n/t Lurks Often Jun 2013 #15
If the shoe fits....nt Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #26
Not in the slightest n/t Lurks Often Jun 2013 #38
Exactly. Sheldon Cooper Jun 2013 #20
It happens when they can't refute your points grok Jun 2013 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #25
Do you think it happens less or more than low-count posters LanternWaste Jun 2013 #35
So everything an adult does, makes sense? Rex Jun 2013 #16
lol Sheldon Cooper Jun 2013 #17
Sorry, I am not making sense now. Rex Jun 2013 #19
I wasn't the one to claim Trayvon had to be sensible.. grok Jun 2013 #21
No you said he could have been unpredictable Rex Jun 2013 #22
fine. which of the facts i stated are in dispute? grok Jun 2013 #23
i know zimmerman apologists, like yourself noiretextatique Jun 2013 #28
Plus 1 and JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #31
The problem is you don't know the path Zimmerman took trying to find Trayvon. Just Saying Jun 2013 #29
True I don't know the path grok Jun 2013 #41
Do you work JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #32
this poster has the same argument as every zimmerman apologist noiretextatique Jun 2013 #40
um, yeah noiretextatique Jun 2013 #27
"Big city teenager" talk aside.... Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #24
If all i heard was your initial A-B, comparision, with nothng else grok Jun 2013 #33
The only past data I included was to set up the respective roles the indivduals played that night Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2013 #34
for court purposes I agree the data should be limited grok Jun 2013 #39
one person did many things that didn't make sense, and people like you keep trying to excuse him noiretextatique Jun 2013 #36
of course he was the aggressor: he was BLACK noiretextatique Jun 2013 #37
Stop "profiling" grok Jun 2013 #43
that's what your pal zimmerman did noiretextatique Jun 2013 #44
Yep JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #30
Wow, long video. I tend to agree with Soundman Jun 2013 #42
yawn...of course you agree with grok noiretextatique Jun 2013 #45
^^^^^THIS^^^^^ n/t HangOnKids Jun 2013 #46
Actually I am ready to double down. Soundman Jun 2013 #47
why on earth would you feel sorry for me? noiretextatique Jun 2013 #48
See, this is why I feel sorry for you. Soundman Jun 2013 #49
it wasn't any of his fucking business noiretextatique Jun 2013 #50
There you go again. Soundman Jun 2013 #51
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