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bvar22

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167. WORD!

Mon Feb 13, 2012, 03:02 PM

Feb 2012

I joined the Democratic Party 44 years ago as a mainstream, center FDR/LBJ Pro-Working Class DEMOCRAT.
NOW, I find myself relegated to the Far left Fringe of the New Democrat Centrist Party.
I haven't changed,
and YES, I "sit in utter horror these days".

I used to mercilessly ridicule "Working Class" Republicans for voting AGAINST their own Economic Interests.
NOW, I am being asked to do the same...because Republicans are worse.
Adding insult to injury, there are those here who INSIST that I should be happy about this situation, and join the "Victory Parade"?
WTF?

You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.
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As most of us thought, Obama is a center, center right president [View all] MadHound Feb 2012 OP

According to the opinion of one guy. TheWraith Feb 2012 #1

Actually this is a respected study, MadHound Feb 2012 #7

Which fails to take into account the massive media manipulation. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #162

This ProSense Feb 2012 #2

LOL! MadHound Feb 2012 #8

It's ProSense Feb 2012 #19

Except it isn't a poll, it is a well respected study that Poole puts out MadHound Feb 2012 #24

My bad, it's ProSense Feb 2012 #30

History judges a President's record by results, not by the methods used. Arkana Feb 2012 #52

You hardly speak for "most of us". phleshdef Feb 2012 #3

Polls don't show where a person is governing from, MadHound Feb 2012 #9

Polls do indicate where the governed feel like that person is governing from. phleshdef Feb 2012 #166

Moderate means anything from left of center to right of center. If you're a Democrat, it's left Honeycombe8 Feb 2012 #178

Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #4

What a sad statement you make MadHound Feb 2012 #11

If someone points out that the President is MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #22

Opinions aren't facts. Swede Feb 2012 #5

I think you're misreading or misrepresenting the gist of the article. pinto Feb 2012 #6

Did you read this? MadHound Feb 2012 #12

I agree with that assessment for the most part. He is the most moderate Democratic president pinto Feb 2012 #42

Agreed, the OP must have misread the article. This part is NashvilleLefty Feb 2012 #32

Yep. pinto Feb 2012 #36

Except that that narrative is totally false. 60 votes were not needed in 2009 or 2010. eomer Feb 2012 #58

Who writes legislation, holds a vote and, if passed, sends it to the executive's desk? pinto Feb 2012 #61

My objection was to the claim that it took 60 votes. eomer Feb 2012 #104

That's not true. One of the 99 Feb 2012 #70

Why couldn't it have been used for a Public Option, or Medicare for All MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #79

Because there is a strict criteria for what One of the 99 Feb 2012 #87

And what are those rules? Both SCHIP and Medicare Advantage were created by a reconciliation bill. eomer Feb 2012 #92

If you research a little deeper One of the 99 Feb 2012 #93

Even the source you cite says he isn't sure it would be disallowed. eomer Feb 2012 #100

As he said One of the 99 Feb 2012 #105

Remember what happened when Obama and Congressional Democrats MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #113

They didn't need to ask because One of the 99 Feb 2012 #117

Please provide your evidence of this MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #119

When that was proposed One of the 99 Feb 2012 #128

That left 59 other Democratic caucus members MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #131

You clearly don't know One of the 99 Feb 2012 #154

Heritage/Romney/Obama actually, the Repugs have been scheming to pass this Dragonfli Feb 2012 #118

What does any of that have to do with what I said? eomer Feb 2012 #90

No it couldn't One of the 99 Feb 2012 #95

At most that is just one guy's opinion. Edit: and what about tax rates? eomer Feb 2012 #101

As was well documented i n2010 One of the 99 Feb 2012 #106

That is just not true. eomer Feb 2012 #144

It is true. One of the 99 Feb 2012 #155

No, an omnibus bill is just a variation of reconciliation that is broader in span, but there was eomer Feb 2012 #165

Well now you're discussing tactics One of the 99 Feb 2012 #172

No, I'm discussing working through the well-known steps that are required to enact legislation. eomer Feb 2012 #173

Yes they could have done everything though reconciliation One of the 99 Feb 2012 #174

Maybe you should just read more carefully. eomer Feb 2012 #175

What does the guy down at the gas station think about it? Ikonoklast Feb 2012 #10

Another one who can't use facts to refute arguments, MadHound Feb 2012 #13

You post another's opinion as 'fact', then call the response to such nonsense a personal attack. Ikonoklast Feb 2012 #48

Is the portion for the 1% going up or down? immoderate Feb 2012 #14

Oh, not most of us. Not at all. MineralMan Feb 2012 #15

Because Obama does not have a credible Democratic opponent, MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #20

Well, there's a leap in logic. MineralMan Feb 2012 #29

So are you implying that I'm about to be tombstoned? MadHound Feb 2012 #21

Not at all. I have nothing to do with any such actions. MineralMan Feb 2012 #25

Read like that to me. I certainly hope that longtime Democrats are not shown the door sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #94

Obama is *miles* to the right of Eisenhower MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #16

Actually ProSense Feb 2012 #23

The facts seem to demonstrate that he's miles to the right of Eisenhower MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #27

Eisenhower's words on preventive war are certainly to the left of the Presidents sad sally Feb 2012 #64

I wouldn't say miles to the right, MadHound Feb 2012 #28

More ProSense Feb 2012 #39

Nixon proposed and started the EPA MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #47

Nixon ProSense Feb 2012 #55

Two-thirds of Americans are in favor of Medicare for all MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #65

And ProSense Feb 2012 #66

Did Obama incinerate the Public Option and Medicare for All MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #76

Are ProSense Feb 2012 #81

I was responding to your assertion MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #83

The "silent majority" had better become "un-silent" if they really want Medicare-for-all Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2012 #107

We voted for Change in 2008 MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #109

Support electing a more progressive Congress in 2012. That's the key, imo. pinto Feb 2012 #114

How much change and how fast did you expect everything to change? Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2012 #158

Nixon wasn't the last liberal president, MadHound Feb 2012 #91

He's just another centrist politician. A mediocre one. Bezukhov Feb 2012 #17

If you send the administrators a PM, they can probably get you back into your old account. cbayer Feb 2012 #35

I have. No reply yet. Bezukhov Feb 2012 #46

I hear that Roseanne Barr may be running MineralMan Feb 2012 #18

Why would you even make such a suggestion to someone known on DU as a longtime sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #96

"Obama is so moderate in part because the Republicans are so extreme." DCBob Feb 2012 #26

+100 MineralMan Feb 2012 #31

Klein: ProSense Feb 2012 #33

yeah, I saw that. Clinton to the left of Obama and LBJ is absurd. DCBob Feb 2012 #37

Doesn't explain his ardent support for three Bush "free" trade agreements MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #34

Most Democrats supported the free trade agreements. DCBob Feb 2012 #38

Two years of no cost of living raises were cuts to those in this society who needed the money sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #97

You heard it here first: Obama to Cut Social Security!!!!111! MineralMan Feb 2012 #40

Rep. Conyers: Obama Demanded Social Security Cuts--Not GOP MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #44

And yet...my benefits are up. MineralMan Feb 2012 #49

If Obama fails at something than it doesn't count? MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #50

SS and Medicare were used as hostages woo me with science Feb 2012 #88

Thanks to the progressives in Congress like Conyers who made those intentions public. sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #99

Then ProSense Feb 2012 #51

I'm not defending the report's methodology MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #53

Wait ProSense Feb 2012 #57

Holy sophmoric debating tricks, Batman! MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #62

Holy ProSense Feb 2012 #63

He said he was not defending the reports methodology. Vattel Feb 2012 #151

and Logical Feb 2012 #71

And ProSense Feb 2012 #74

or Logical Feb 2012 #75

Or ProSense Feb 2012 #78

I Logical Feb 2012 #85

right of eisenhower? I don't think so tnvoter Feb 2012 #41

you have no factual basis for those assertion about Eisenhower. provis99 Feb 2012 #110

Uh and those came into play long before Obama became President. vaberella Feb 2012 #150

Obama extended the Bush tax rates. provis99 Feb 2012 #189

Funny... I Was Thinking The Other Day That... WillyT Feb 2012 #43

WORD! bvar22 Feb 2012 #167

I've seen you promote this meme across multiple threads... RevStPatrick Feb 2012 #45

+1 DCBob Feb 2012 #56

I found a lot of people bought the Obama as a populist myth. joshcryer Feb 2012 #60

The problem is that our only two options are center/center right and hard right MadHound Feb 2012 #122

"Why is this such a problem for some people here?" bvar22 Feb 2012 #168

i'll be happy when the republican party regains enough sanity that 'moderate', 'centrist' xchrom Feb 2012 #54

As will I, too many Republicans in (D)rag pretending to speak as Democrats /nt Dragonfli Feb 2012 #121

I'm noticing something different. He's forcing the Republicans to the right... joshcryer Feb 2012 #59

Thank you thank you thank you! DevonRex Feb 2012 #68

That chart ProSense Feb 2012 #72

It scales based on the other side. joshcryer Feb 2012 #84

I think that you're misinterpreting that MadHound Feb 2012 #123

False, go to the link. joshcryer Feb 2012 #129

Study your political history, MadHound Feb 2012 #133

You're neglecting the leftward shift as the data shows. joshcryer Feb 2012 #137

You're neglecting historical reality MadHound Feb 2012 #140

Demographics are only one way. joshcryer Feb 2012 #142

Reagan Democrats dying off, hardly MadHound Feb 2012 #145

Two-thirds of Americans want Medicare for All, MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #152

It's hard to take this survey seriously when they consider Clinton more left than HST and LBJ... Drunken Irishman Feb 2012 #67

Oh wow. Great point! DevonRex Feb 2012 #69

The effort to attack Obama from the right and the left continues to become ... JoePhilly Feb 2012 #73

Thanks to Occupy, Candidate Obama has paused his demands to cut Social Security MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #77

If one predicts that Obama is about to kill Social Security over and over and over ... JoePhilly Feb 2012 #86

Obama is legally unable to cut Social Security by himself MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #102

So you mean Congress is keeping him for doing something that you JoePhilly Feb 2012 #103

Do you believe that Obama did not call for cuts in Social Security MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #115

Clearly to kill it. JoePhilly Feb 2012 #116

So you're refusing to answer my question. MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #120

I did answer your question. JoePhilly Feb 2012 #124

So you're refusing to answer both questions MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #125

Oh no ... I answered both questions ... JoePhilly Feb 2012 #126

You didn't answer either of Manny's questions.. girl gone mad Feb 2012 #143

Nailed It. bvar22 Feb 2012 #169

Just because some people won't accept an answer dosn't mean the question wasn't answered nt Bodhi BloodWave Feb 2012 #179

Rachel Maddow says the Eisenhower is to The Left of President Obama. bvar22 Feb 2012 #80

That's ProSense Feb 2012 #89

Thats not "really" what Rachel said. bvar22 Feb 2012 #171

I'm a political scientist myself, and Kenneth Poole hasn't been relevant for at least 20 years Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2012 #82

I suspect this "analysis" sure wont change that. DCBob Feb 2012 #98

No worries. Dr. Poole is from the "old school" way of doing things. Not that he wasn't Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2012 #111

when you say in the discipline Enrique Feb 2012 #186

I mean in the political science discipline. And you're right. 1992 was a huge year for Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2012 #187

Most of you are still wrong... SidDithers Feb 2012 #108

Liberal and conservative mean almost nothing nowadays messiah Feb 2012 #153

I don't consider indefinite detention and 30.000 drones in American sky woo me with science Feb 2012 #112

They've been centrist since around 2009. rudycantfail Feb 2012 #181

Clinton was more "right" than Obama. But they were faced w different situations.... Honeycombe8 Feb 2012 #127

The corporate insurance mandate was the greatest gift to the one percent woo me with science Feb 2012 #130

You need to take their records in their entirety MadHound Feb 2012 #132

What ProSense Feb 2012 #134

As I said, only slightly to the left of Obama MadHound Feb 2012 #135

And ProSense Feb 2012 #136

Well, this conversation could go on all night, MadHound Feb 2012 #138

No ProSense Feb 2012 #141

Really? MadHound Feb 2012 #146

Yes ProSense Feb 2012 #159

Romney's not largely responsible for RomneyCare? Really? MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #148

Get ProSense Feb 2012 #160

Don't be silly MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #163

Context is important Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2012 #147

Obama didn't continue the tax breaks. Congress did. Re Iraq War, as I said, he campaigned on it. Honeycombe8 Feb 2012 #177

I don't find labels to be all that useful bhikkhu Feb 2012 #139

Eisenhower wasn't a bad President. Oh contraire. vaberella Feb 2012 #149

I think this is a worthless study. Obama certainly is not more to the right of Bill Clinton WI_DEM Feb 2012 #156

It's ProSense Feb 2012 #161

Ezra Klein agrees. AtomicKitten Feb 2012 #170

Can you not see why? sofa king Feb 2012 #157

It's a combination of many corrupted aspects of the system. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #164

Nobody "forced" President Obama to do this: bvar22 Feb 2012 #176

Martin Luther King Jr. was assasinated. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #180

Excellent post MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #182

I did not say he was not strong. sofa king Feb 2012 #183

No ProSense Feb 2012 #184

So we agree that Obama is a strong President who gets what he wants. bvar22 Feb 2012 #188

It's Really Sad seeing our most Conservative DU posters disagree with this fascisthunter Feb 2012 #185