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In reply to the discussion: LOL! Snowden's background check? Outsourced! Company that did it now under investigation. [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)69. A FOIA was submitted. The info was withheld because they need the permission of the
individual to release it (among other reasons). You really don't know as much about this case as I thought....!
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/06/edward-snowden-army-file-foia/66480/
Given that Snowden's military service lasted from May to September of 2004, according to the Army spokesman Ackerman spoke with, it's highly unlikely that it is conducting any enforcement action. Alex Abdo, staff attorney at the ACLU's National Security Project, told The Atlantic Wire by phone that the exemptionwas "not inconsistent with our experience" but generally for those facing enforcement action by the military. The ACLU has seen information withheld under a 7(a) exemption, specifically in a case being investigated by the Army Criminal Investigation Division. Whether or not the Army withheld the information at the behest of the Department of Justice is unclear; a Justice spokesperson declined to comment.
That we know Snowden's period of service raises a question of its own. Under FOIA, the government is supposed to release any information that it possibly can. Clearly, the length of Snowden's enlistment is information that would be included in his personnel file and, therefore, should have been released under our request. "It's not supposed to withhold whole batches of documents just because some of it is withholdable," Abdo told us. "It's suprising that they're withholding everything."
Eugene Fidell, who teaches military justice at Yale Law School, agreed. "If they denied access to the entire record, en masse, I think that's problematic," Fidell told us by phone. He, too, had seen the exemption used in the past, but "not simply for personnel records." Fidell suggested that detailed records, which, for example, might explore a psychiatric condition or stigmatizing discharge, could be withheld under FOIA's sixth exemption. Even Snowden had a right to privacy, Fidell pointed out, ironic though it might be.
If I had to guess--or place a bet--I'd bet that the bottom right hand corner of his DD214 says something that isn't just your run of the mill discharge code. I'll bet he's RE-4, for starters.
Perhaps the next time Snowden pops his head up, someone could ask him if he authorizes the Army to release his personnel file. Since I'm in a betting mood, I'll bet he'd hem and haw.
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LOL! Snowden's background check? Outsourced! Company that did it now under investigation. [View all]
Poll_Blind
Jun 2013
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Note to Snowden debunkers: Gen. Alexander confirms the docs are genuine and Snowden was given access
leveymg
Jun 2013
#55
"USIS was formed through the privatization of the Office of Personnel Management’s...
WorseBeforeBetter
Jun 2013
#2
Carlyle Group buys defense and intel contractors for the same reason Murdoch buys newspapers -
leveymg
Jun 2013
#49
His VERY first job was with NSA as a janitor/guard. Then he slid into IT work at the same place.
MADem
Jun 2013
#25
Not surprising someone would raise an issue with his academic record, considering the GED and
leveymg
Jun 2013
#53
He DID fake his resume. He said he was getting a Master's degree from a UK university.
MADem
Jun 2013
#59
Hell no--if he were fake as all get-out, and telling lies a-plenty--particularly lies that
MADem
Jun 2013
#67
You're right--if you read the initial Guardian report, it sounds like he is suggesting that he
MADem
Jun 2013
#85
He was told by BHA--where he worked for only four weeks, not three months--that there were PROBLEMS
MADem
Jun 2013
#30
It's hard to know where this guy's lies end, though. And it might be in the best interest of USA
MADem
Jun 2013
#34
Maybe they didn't, though--maybe his first check was done when he was a guard/janitor at NSA.
MADem
Jun 2013
#27
Touchie, touchie!!!! I don't have a problem if my speculations are proven to be incorrect.
MADem
Jun 2013
#56
He lied about his work history and his salary to Greenwald. He lied about his time in the Army...to
MADem
Jun 2013
#58
maybe you convince yourself with this bullshit, still all 3rd hand information at best
Monkie
Jun 2013
#60
What makes the Third Hand Assertions of the US Army, the CIA, the NSA, the University of Maryland,
MADem
Jun 2013
#62
A FOIA was submitted. The info was withheld because they need the permission of the
MADem
Jun 2013
#69
How could someone at the Special Warfare School say he broke his legs if he never attended the
MADem
Jun 2013
#96
its like birther hot air wack-a-mole with you is it not, you have no actual evidence
Monkie
Jun 2013
#74
as i have said to you and others, i dont care about the man, i hate the birther style tactics
Monkie
Jun 2013
#79
It's not birther style tactics, though--and your crass insinuations that they are is what is wrong
MADem
Jun 2013
#82
how does why he was discharged change the lies of obama and clapper and mueller?
Monkie
Jun 2013
#87
The only thing Snowden has shown evidence of is the collection of phone metadata.
randome
Jun 2013
#88
you are lying, you posted yesterday on the threads with the leaks, so its a willful lie
Monkie
Jun 2013
#92
Maybe you could find better 'quality' debaters at a Tourette's Syndrome Recovery organization?
randome
Jun 2013
#94
We don't know if what Snowden said is the "truth." We know he believes it is the truth--ardently.
MADem
Jun 2013
#91
You're like a broken record. Anytime you hear anything that causes you cognitive dissonance,
MADem
Jun 2013
#98
Who signed off on that, I wonder? I'll bet they're packing up cardboard boxes and taking their
MADem
Jun 2013
#17
I guess that's more likely. When the work gets too dull and routine, they take shortcuts.
randome
Jun 2013
#65