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MADem

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91. We don't know if what Snowden said is the "truth." We know he believes it is the truth--ardently.

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:14 PM

Jun 2013

When people in government touted all the great things that the Strategic Defense Initiative was going to do, a lot of them believed--ardently--that they were telling the truth.

But they weren't.

So .... truth is a funny thing. What you believe isn't always what's really happening.

And calling people names doesn't help the situation, so you really need to just stop doing that. You are constantly combative, dismissive, rude, and crude to people, and you seem incapable of having a civil discussion. For this reason, it's very easy to just dismiss what you have to say.

Maybe if you tried speaking like a normal human being, instead of a keyboard warrior on a mouse for a horse, you'd improve your reputation. And people might want to speak with you instead of just tolerating your angry rants and personal insults.

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LOL! Snowden's background check? Outsourced! Company that did it now under investigation. [View all] Poll_Blind Jun 2013 OP

lol Liberal_in_LA Jun 2013 #1

Note to Snowden debunkers: Gen. Alexander confirms the docs are genuine and Snowden was given access leveymg Jun 2013 #55

So Snowden was sticky-fingered from the getgo. aquart Jun 2013 #80

"USIS was formed through the privatization of the Office of Personnel Management�s... WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2013 #2

As soon as it was privatized it was bought by Carlyle Group NightWatcher Jun 2013 #6

The plot thickens... WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2013 #8

I am confused. DURHAM D Jun 2013 #10

Sold their interest in 07 or 08 I believe NightWatcher Jun 2013 #11

LOL Earlier tonight when I typed this - DURHAM D Jun 2013 #13

Winner winner chicken dinner NightWatcher Jun 2013 #14

Me too but I am afraid it is just not sexy enough for DU DURHAM D Jun 2013 #15

If it's not, it should be. This IS the problem. MADem Jun 2013 #21

Fuck that. This is the real deal! You are to be complimented - nt HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #32

Life imitates art, eh? I remember saying in 2002 that Bush and Cheney HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #26

Carlyle Group buys defense and intel contractors for the same reason Murdoch buys newspapers - leveymg Jun 2013 #49

The co Snowden worked for is also owned by Carlyle elehhhhna Jun 2013 #81

But it looks like they only did the last one. We need the FIRST one. DevonRex Jun 2013 #19

His VERY first job was with NSA as a janitor/guard. Then he slid into IT work at the same place. MADem Jun 2013 #25

Snowden fine-tuned the delicate dance of bullshitting his way past problems. randome Jun 2013 #39

Not surprising someone would raise an issue with his academic record, considering the GED and leveymg Jun 2013 #53

He DID fake his resume. He said he was getting a Master's degree from a UK university. MADem Jun 2013 #59

He was hired, anyway. An MS wasn't a job requirement. leveymg Jun 2013 #61

Hell no--if he were fake as all get-out, and telling lies a-plenty--particularly lies that MADem Jun 2013 #67

I don't think Snowden ever stated how long he'd worked at BAH Jarla Jun 2013 #83

You're right--if you read the initial Guardian report, it sounds like he is suggesting that he MADem Jun 2013 #85

He said right at the beginning of his video interview that he worked for BAH Jarla Jun 2013 #93

Did he say how long he'd worked there? nt MADem Jun 2013 #99

No nt Jarla Jun 2013 #100

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #43

I giggled so much I peed a little. I used to work there NightWatcher Jun 2013 #3

Another good reason to trust one's instincts in certain situations... Poll_Blind Jun 2013 #40

good one flamingdem Jun 2013 #4

Scapegoat? n/t kentuck Jun 2013 #5

No. It is the real issue. DURHAM D Jun 2013 #7

+ struggle4progress Jun 2013 #9

So.... to recap Blasphemer Jun 2013 #12

I'm sorry, but I don't understand ... Coccydynia Jun 2013 #24

He was told by BHA--where he worked for only four weeks, not three months--that there were PROBLEMS MADem Jun 2013 #30

Thank you for that additional info. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #33

It's hard to know where this guy's lies end, though. And it might be in the best interest of USA MADem Jun 2013 #34

NO. This isn't the right background check. We need the first one. DevonRex Jun 2013 #16

There was only one check, I think--these guys did it. Snowden took it with him. MADem Jun 2013 #18

That's what I mean. CIA did the full original one. We need to know WHO DevonRex Jun 2013 #23

Maybe they didn't, though--maybe his first check was done when he was a guard/janitor at NSA. MADem Jun 2013 #27

No. He lied about that. It was a college security guard position. DevonRex Jun 2013 #28

Sweet Jesus--what didn't this guy lie about? nt MADem Jun 2013 #31

You found it! Greenwald's next 'blockbuster' story! randome Jun 2013 #38

and maybe you and the others are just making this up as you go along Monkie Jun 2013 #54

Touchie, touchie!!!! I don't have a problem if my speculations are proven to be incorrect. MADem Jun 2013 #56

but what HAS he actually lied about, you seem intelligent Monkie Jun 2013 #57

He lied about his work history and his salary to Greenwald. He lied about his time in the Army...to MADem Jun 2013 #58

maybe you convince yourself with this bullshit, still all 3rd hand information at best Monkie Jun 2013 #60

What makes the Third Hand Assertions of the US Army, the CIA, the NSA, the University of Maryland, MADem Jun 2013 #62

please show me the FOIA info? Monkie Jun 2013 #66

A FOIA was submitted. The info was withheld because they need the permission of the MADem Jun 2013 #69

What about the 'broke both my legs' claim. Hasn't that been refuted, too? randome Jun 2013 #70

The only one who is saying he broke both his legs is Ed, near as I can tell. MADem Jun 2013 #72

Someone at the Special Warfare Center & School also said so Jarla Jun 2013 #86

How could someone at the Special Warfare School say he broke his legs if he never attended the MADem Jun 2013 #96

True, she may have just been making the assumption about him breaking his legs Jarla Jun 2013 #97

its like birther hot air wack-a-mole with you is it not, you have no actual evidence Monkie Jun 2013 #74

so just weasel words and might of been's but again nothing concrete Monkie Jun 2013 #73

The Army wouldn't withhold the information if there weren't "privacy" issues. MADem Jun 2013 #75

as i have said to you and others, i dont care about the man, i hate the birther style tactics Monkie Jun 2013 #79

It's not birther style tactics, though--and your crass insinuations that they are is what is wrong MADem Jun 2013 #82

how does why he was discharged change the lies of obama and clapper and mueller? Monkie Jun 2013 #87

The only thing Snowden has shown evidence of is the collection of phone metadata. randome Jun 2013 #88

you are lying, you posted yesterday on the threads with the leaks, so its a willful lie Monkie Jun 2013 #92

Maybe you could find better 'quality' debaters at a Tourette's Syndrome Recovery organization? randome Jun 2013 #94

its good to agree with you on something n/t Monkie Jun 2013 #101

We don't know if what Snowden said is the "truth." We know he believes it is the truth--ardently. MADem Jun 2013 #91

you have the first ever document from inside the FISA process to be leaked Monkie Jun 2013 #95

You're like a broken record. Anytime you hear anything that causes you cognitive dissonance, MADem Jun 2013 #98

I'm glad this is being talk about davidpdx Jun 2013 #35

The CIA often had USIS do their SSBI's (orig inv) NightWatcher Jun 2013 #36

Who signed off on that, I wonder? I'll bet they're packing up cardboard boxes and taking their MADem Jun 2013 #17

Why would they fabricate information? Payoffs? randome Jun 2013 #37

Laziness. Prejudice. MADem Jun 2013 #64

I guess that's more likely. When the work gets too dull and routine, they take shortcuts. randome Jun 2013 #65

If I were still working, I'd be pre-emptively updating my SF 86. MADem Jun 2013 #76

When I worked for SSA back in '81, we filled out SSN request cards by pencil. randome Jun 2013 #77

this is the real scandal JI7 Jun 2013 #20

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #44

Since the DU has tin-foiled itself, here's my 2 cents: railsback Jun 2013 #22

Price Gouging! n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #90

If you don't arrest scoundrels; kitt6 Jun 2013 #29

Thanks! Scurrilous Jun 2013 #41

K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #42

How Did Snowden Land A Job At CIA? DallasNE Jun 2013 #45

That is the BIG QUESTION. And CIA cleared Snowden for TS/SCI material. DevonRex Jun 2013 #46

How do you know USIS never did the initial? NightWatcher Jun 2013 #47

It's what I have seen happen. And from the article: DevonRex Jun 2013 #50

I Read An Article That Said DallasNE Jun 2013 #63

You flunk background checks if you lie, of course. MADem Jun 2013 #71

?????????? DallasNE Jun 2013 #84

Excuse me, you just aren't talking from a place of knowledge, here. MADem Jun 2013 #89

You Just Like To Argue, Don't You DallasNE Jun 2013 #103

Look, the doggone SF-86 is the basis for the BC. MADem Jun 2013 #104

Wow we really are out of control Rex Jun 2013 #48

No, it's much more scary. DevonRex Jun 2013 #51

I agree with what you said last week Rex Jun 2013 #52

Lol, and they want us to trust these Mega Corporations with our privacy?? I am not in the least sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #68

Was it deliberate? malaise Jun 2013 #78

So? bowens43 Jun 2013 #102

background flt rsk Jun 2013 #105