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Cooley Hurd

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166. Case in point: the aviation accident that killed Senator Wellstone...

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:42 PM

Jun 2013

I was deeply suspicious when I first heard of it (given his stature and the timing, suspicion was warranted). But, being an aviation professional (before going into IT), I wanted a thorough investigation.

The investigation revealed that the pilots of the aircraft flew into known icing conditions, and were ill-equipped (inexperienced) to deal with it.

It was a tragic accident.

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Most people with common sense are deeply suspicious of Michael Hastings' death. [View all] reformist2 Jun 2013 OP

...when his toxicology reports are made public, I'll comment. Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #1

Good WovenGems Jun 2013 #53

If anything... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #158

Even it's clean... SidDithers Jun 2013 #81

Of course such things happen... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #151

My thinking is this... justiceischeap Jun 2013 #143

If you don't factor in the fact he was high-profile and made many powerful enemies... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #149

There is a source for his DUIs...his book. zappaman Jun 2013 #150

"...when he was 19." Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #153

You asked about his DUIs zappaman Jun 2013 #154

Thank you... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #156

but it was the authorities!!!!!!!!!!! dlwickham Jun 2013 #152

I am not forwarding a CT here... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #155

I know you're not dlwickham Jun 2013 #162

Case in point: the aviation accident that killed Senator Wellstone... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #166

My thoughts exactly. 99Forever Jun 2013 #183

No, rumor mongering unfounded conspiracy theories is not a hallmark of common sense geek tragedy Jun 2013 #2

When the people trust their government it is likely that people will be less suspicious of sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #6

The Paranoid Style of American Politics was written in 1964. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #7

Better question, 'what did Reagan, Nixon, Bush Sr, Bush Jr, Cheney et al do? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #16

Are you saying you consider Obama closer to Reagan, Nixon, the Bushes and Cheney than to Clinton? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #18

I believe I said exactly what I intended to say. Go read it again if you are having a problem sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #45

No, I really can't interpret it other than as I did muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #48

That's funny that you come to that conclusion. Since my comment, properly interpreted by another sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #80

So why did you bring them up? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #84

See comment #57 by someone who actually read what I said. I can't help you anymore than that. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #87

#57 makes no sense, and explains nothing muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #90

Can't help you. I guess for you, had I known you were going to read my comment but of course I did sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #93

Yesterday, someone else very subtly compared the President to Nixon.It's becoming their meme. graham4anything Jun 2013 #107

POTUS Obama has self-identified and acts as a 1980s Republican PufPuf23 Jun 2013 #145

Forget it muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #146

I want a better World. I want the Democratic Party to be better and the best. PufPuf23 Jun 2013 #157

Yeah, my 'forget it' came after I found the time he talked about the 80s Republican thing muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #164

Same as was done under Johnson, Kennedy, Eisenhower, Truman, FDR. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #19

So Democrats are as bad as Republicans then? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #46

Historically, yes. FDR was the worst civil liberties President of the 20th century. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #64

Really? You consider FDR to be worse on Civil Liberties than Bush/Cheney? What laws were passed sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #83

FDR established racist concentration camps, opposed anti-lynching legislation, and geek tragedy Jun 2013 #86

Careful gt, you're ruining the great romanticized, whitewashed version of FDR. Don't you just love Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #98

every President is a product of his time and other political actors geek tragedy Jun 2013 #108

!!! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #115

Great post! zappaman Jun 2013 #118

I liked this line: geek tragedy Jun 2013 #121

Some posters have a habit of making things up zappaman Jun 2013 #128

FDR's Record on Civil Rights: sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #140

Which of the things I wrote about FDR were (a) untrue or (b) a criticism from the right? nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #141

What in my post regarding FDR's record on Civil Rights is not true? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #147

Holy shit - FDR LOCKED UP every Japanese American on the West Coast jberryhill Jun 2013 #106

Reality bites, don't it? A truly shameful & disgusting episode in this country's history. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #117

Seeing in monochrome bites jberryhill Jun 2013 #119

And he even wrote a musical about it! zappaman Jun 2013 #123

"Our system corrects for these kinds of things, but at a deliberate pace". Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #124

HOLY SHIT! BUSH Slaughtered, tortured and locked up over one million Muslims!!! sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #136

Do you want to talk about how many Europeans and Japanese FDR killed? jberryhill Jun 2013 #137

I've read history. Have you become anti-war now? I am for the most part, because I know sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #144

That must be why Wall Street plotted to overthrow him. Octafish Jun 2013 #159

He was a great President, with deep flaws. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #167

APPLAUSE! APPLAUSE! APPLAUSE! Raster Jun 2013 #57

JFK was given a public execution in 1963. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #71

when the government stops lying, the people might have more trust. nt grasswire Jun 2013 #25

Bingo! We have a winner! stopbush Jun 2013 #20

WTF. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #170

Well put. n/t savalez Jun 2013 #44

Maybe he was too busy looking over his shoulder to watch where he was going NightWatcher Jun 2013 #3

Why didn't the witnesses see anyone chasing him? jberryhill Jun 2013 #109

Nor did the video, but... zappaman Jun 2013 #112

I was speaking figuratively not literally NightWatcher Jun 2013 #120

I am waiting to hear about the stories he was working on. If he was about to embarrass someone GoneFishin Jun 2013 #4

He could have video of the CIA director in bed with underaged goats Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #34

Yeah. And he could have been investigating toilet paper thefts from public schools, but still GoneFishin Jun 2013 #180

Yes, but those positing assassination do so in spite of evidence not because of it. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #181

You are asserting then, that there is proof to the contrary. If that were true I would be ok with it GoneFishin Jun 2013 #184

Absence of evidence of foul play will be proof of a cover-up to those that want to believe. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #185

Maybe. I can't speak for those people. If the investigation is SOP, clean, and uninterfered with, GoneFishin Jun 2013 #186

I have an open mind but, from what I have read recently on DU, it is very possibly an accident quinnox Jun 2013 #5

And if the evidence shows that it was just an accident it will only fuel the CTists' beliefs stopbush Jun 2013 #21

Impossible! The government has never killed anyone it didn't have to! whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #8

Based on your saying so? onenote Jun 2013 #9

Love the phrasing on this nobodyspecial Jun 2013 #10

All right-thinking people know this. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #32

Umm, no nobodyspecial Jun 2013 #40

Actually, I was agreing with you and taunting the OP Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #42

Anyone who would say that is an idiot jberryhill Jun 2013 #110

the tranny was Marblehead Jun 2013 #11

I had to read your post a few times...I thought you were using a slur! nt msanthrope Jun 2013 #38

Most people? Ninety percent or more have probably never even heard of Michael Hastings. pnwmom Jun 2013 #12

My common sense says zappaman Jun 2013 #13

It's easier for people to believe that their "heroes" were offed by some nefarious agency stopbush Jun 2013 #27

People also make assumptions that their heroes are just like them...well, because... MADem Jun 2013 #37

The fact that so many people look for a criminal motive JDPriestly Jun 2013 #89

Case in point: OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #94

I addressed that crap post already zappaman Jun 2013 #95

Indeed you did. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #105

What if it could be shown the government Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #33

Common sense says speeding car + running lights + hitting a tree + 4:30 AM = drugs/alcohol/fatigue. Scurrilous Jun 2013 #14

^^ this ^^ nt bunnies Jun 2013 #17

Gotta agree with that. RebelOne Jun 2013 #59

As usual. Nailed it! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #102

In this case it seems he was either suicidal or just stupid. If you live in LA, sooner or later you Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #15

Agreed. Smarmie Doofus Jun 2013 #22

Yep. It's a riot to read the posts mocking anyone who thinks there is room for suspicion. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #171

Cenk Uygur had a good comment about this Enrique Jun 2013 #23

+1 magellan Jun 2013 #35

I will put it to you this way nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #24

I hate to say it, but I AM suspicious Marrah_G Jun 2013 #26

Occam's Razor, people. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #28

You put an attack by ETs on the same level as planned assassination? aquart Jun 2013 #111

I did not rank the degree of probabilities. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #127

Well, at least you are keeping an open mind about it. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #172

Right. It will be a few weeks until toxicology reports are in. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #173

I'm waiting for more information, too, before I comment. Cleita Jun 2013 #29

To serve and protect makes more sense to me Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #30

They MADE him run a red light at high speed? longship Jun 2013 #31

Now people here are implying somebody made his gas pedal stick Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #47

It is apparent that DU zappaman Jun 2013 #49

I didn't say �somebody made his gas pedal stick�... TeeYiYi Jun 2013 #50

I wasn't referring to your post Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #52

Well, that's the first part of any CT 101 class. longship Jun 2013 #56

Perfect analysis Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #62

It does make one feel good about oneself to be of the enlightened few, yes? alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #188

Aren't you CT'ing when you say he "purposefully ran red lights" though? KoKo Jun 2013 #65

So, would it be then that NO ONE has ever died in a car wreck because of a stuck gas pedal? cascadiance Jun 2013 #68

Well Said! KoKo Jun 2013 #72

I can't speak for others, but I would prefer an investigation over a pre-disposed dismissal... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #163

The LAPD is currently investigating. n/t Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #165

...and that is troubling. Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #168

Your incuriosity, if adopted by more people, will do much more harm than good. Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #160

Most people with common sense don't expect everyone who disagrees with them to lack common sense LanternWaste Jun 2013 #36

Few writers are unafraid to write about the crimes of the national security state. Octafish Jun 2013 #39

'Boston Brakes' Ichingcarpenter Jun 2013 #41

In addition Ichingcarpenter Jun 2013 #75

Small world. Octafish Jun 2013 #96

Interesting. (Does that comment make me a conspiracy loon?) n/t Smarmie Doofus Jun 2013 #179

USENIX Conference Video from 2011 Ichingcarpenter Jun 2013 #187

Neither is irresponsible driving. LanternWaste Jun 2013 #92

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar Ichingcarpenter Jun 2013 #148

Name one. Name a writer/journalist/pundit who is afraid, who feels they have to self-censor. stevenleser Jun 2013 #58

Mark Marzetti of The New York Times, for starters. Octafish Jun 2013 #88

There is absolutely nothing in that which suggests fear or a need to self censor on Mazzetti's part stevenleser Jun 2013 #91

You mean, apart from where CIA calls NYT and gets them to change a story. Octafish Jun 2013 #97

Correct. No fear there. It suggests agreement or Collusion perhaps. No evidence of fear is presented stevenleser Jun 2013 #99

You are the best. Octafish Jun 2013 #133

I knew you would see it my way. It's the way what you posted is worded. nt stevenleser Jun 2013 #135

Stupid, conformist ones don't need to worry because they will never probe deeply enough into JDPriestly Feb 2015 #191

Hastings' wife, co-workers and probably most of his friends octoberlib Jun 2013 #43

I agree. We probably won't hear more details for a while flamingdem Jun 2013 #51

Most people? Please link to the poll that allows you to make that assertion. nt stevenleser Jun 2013 #54

What I want to know is why the news media never showed the footage of struggle4progress Jun 2013 #55

Assuming I read this correctly (satire/sarcasm) well put. nt stevenleser Jun 2013 #60

Believing something absolutely isn't a conspiracy when you don't have all the information... Melinda Jun 2013 #61

+1. The fascinating thing is: I can't find a single post here which says or implies that it MUST.... Smarmie Doofus Jun 2013 #74

OMG! Progressives used to get credit for intelligent, thoughtful debate. Now we're reduced to.... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #63

You must have joined after they created the 9/11 Dungeon to hide the crazy. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #66

GD is the biggest forum, and perhaps a "dungeon" of sorts would be more appropriate for this..... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #77

It's known these days as "Creative Speculation" because, ostensibly, the crazy talk geek tragedy Jun 2013 #79

Unfortunately jberryhill Jun 2013 #125

+100 n/t zappaman Jun 2013 #130

There is no left or progressive movement anymore; there's just this shit alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #101

What a pants load. Rex Jun 2013 #103

^^^This^^^. Should be its own o.p. The romanticism surrounding FDR leaves out the fact that not... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #113

And this place is swarming with them. zappaman Jun 2013 #116

I love that graphic, cuz it's so true. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #122

Killer post, alcibiades_mystery. Codeine Jun 2013 #189

You binary thinkers always crack me up! Rex Jun 2013 #104

even if an accident, it might be caused by his tormented state of mind carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #67

The pile-on alone here, raises my antennae. canoeist52 Jun 2013 #69

Agreed. The character of the counter arguments are interesting too. Usually this type GoneFishin Jun 2013 #174

Not deeply suspicious. More a raised eyebrow. Prism Jun 2013 #70

One problem is how many people who discomfit the authorities wind up dead starroute Jun 2013 #73

You only speak for yourself still_one Jun 2013 #76

More correctly, people with common sense entertained the CT as a passing thought. Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #78

honestly, someone with a car like that... lanlady Jun 2013 #82

Common sense isn't. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2013 #85

It doesn't look like a mere accident. Rex Jun 2013 #100

So, did Obama MIHOP or LIHOP? mwrguy Jun 2013 #114

Sorry... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #169

Gas tank exploding on impact is VERY suspicious, IMO Jessy169 Jun 2013 #126

How about when you are going so fast, you shear off a fire hydrant and tear the gas tank and.. zappaman Jun 2013 #129

You tell me Jessy169 Jun 2013 #132

Yes, he sheared off a fire hydrant and hit a tree zappaman Jun 2013 #134

If it happened to anybody else Jessy169 Jun 2013 #138

What? zappaman Jun 2013 #139

Good point Jessy169 Jun 2013 #142

Common Sense? Progressive dog Jun 2013 #131

And by extension those not deeply suspicious have no common sense, eh? X_Digger Jun 2013 #161

I thought it was a bit suspect bc of McChrystal LaydeeBug Jun 2013 #175

How can one with... deathrind Jun 2013 #176

People with common sense Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #177

Strawman fallacy. No one here thinks that. Smarmie Doofus Jun 2013 #178

He pissed off powerful people who have exactly the skills to create this event if they chose to. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #182

Posting a reply on a discussion board Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #190