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ProdigalJunkMail

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96. i feel for you...

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:06 PM

Jun 2013

you have fought the good fight and tried to shed a little light on the chicken-littles that inhabit the InterWebs. it is amazing that people with no technical knowledge whatsoever will come in and just scream and scream about something they have no understanding of, and then when someone tries to explain it (or at least the complexities) they are shouted down as being uninformed and a 'civilian' and just trying to confuse them with technical matters that somehow the magicians at the NSA can get around with a wave of a single strand of single-mode fibre.

one question for the person who seems to think civilians can't understand all this whizzy tech that the gov't uses : Who built the internet? Not the original one that is little more than a faint shadow of what is there today... the modern one. Who builds all that tech that allows us to sniff the lines? Hint : it ain't the gov't...

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GCHQ(NSA) tap fibre-optic cables for secret access to world's communications [View all] Catherina Jun 2013 OP

The British seem much less coy about their names. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #1

Hence Gen Alexander's 'good summer projects for Menwith Hill' Catherina Jun 2013 #4

we spy on their bad guys, and they spy on our bad guys bobduca Jun 2013 #99

"Have fun and make the most of it" jsr Jun 2013 #2

And they do. Remember their fun listening to US soldiers' sex chats with their partners? Catherina Jun 2013 #8

"dont become a case study in a future legalities training presentation" Monkie Jun 2013 #29

Also, hopefully this story will put to bed the tired claim... BlueCheese Jun 2013 #3

Don't worry, premium Jun 2013 #6

The claim is not and has never been that intaglio Jun 2013 #39

This is exploding the whole bloody scheme nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #5

And lots more to come Catherina Jun 2013 #9

Well I am a self hating Jew and white nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #10

My deepest sympathies. Catherina Jun 2013 #13

There is a backhoe over there nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #14

Just let me know when the gifted Military Intel lawyer shows up lol Catherina Jun 2013 #76

Well, the it's all legal cause Congress approved nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #78

It's just one massive CYA right now Catherina Jun 2013 #79

Well, they just charged Snowden nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #81

Which people? The ones who just threw stones telling everone else to move on? Catherina Jun 2013 #82

No, the governmnt nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #85

Actually no it isn't intaglio Jun 2013 #43

Free huge clue nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #56

"access to the network of cables which carry the world's phone calls and internet traffic" snooper2 Jun 2013 #7

Did you ever hear of the AT&T room in San Fran? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #12

Sure did, same thing back then, over-hyped by people that don't understand telecommunications snooper2 Jun 2013 #17

I suspect we ignorant rubes should go back to sleep nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #19

Or you can pay attention and learn something :) (you didn't give any answer FYI) snooper2 Jun 2013 #21

Keep it real, snooper2! randome Jun 2013 #22

Has it occurred to you that what *YOU KNOW* nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #24

How do you think the NSA gets data back from thousands of CO snooper2 Jun 2013 #45

Yup, we're idiots... nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #49

i really wonder what you are trying to prove by throwing up unrelated jargon Monkie Jun 2013 #94

i feel for you... ProdigalJunkMail Jun 2013 #96

Just curious...what kind of education/background does this take? dkf Jun 2013 #88

what snooper has said so far? Monkie Jun 2013 #95

wow - I'm really impressed temmer Jun 2013 #23

lovely pictures, please explain how there is not narus-like equipment Monkie Jun 2013 #30

Well, you see...the children really nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #37

the problem is people ask these clowns the wrong questions Monkie Jun 2013 #40

When given a chance I do nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #42

"narus like" equipment? snooper2 Jun 2013 #41

you show me yours ill show you mine. what company are you talking about. Monkie Jun 2013 #46

There is a little bit of a difference between a lawful intercept telecoms are mandated snooper2 Jun 2013 #48

then why do you ask me the question you wont answer yourself? Monkie Jun 2013 #52

Would you be willing to look at the discussion Jarla Jun 2013 #60

sorry i didnt notice, have a few things up in the air at once. Monkie Jun 2013 #63

Exactly. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #65

I understand what you're saying but Jarla Jun 2013 #67

they try to use it as a weapon, but the defense is what you DO know Monkie Jun 2013 #69

But is there any difference in the technology that would be used? Jarla Jun 2013 #55

never heard of internet backbones? nt temmer Jun 2013 #15

yeah, all three of them, and all traffic routes through that magic AT&T room snooper2 Jun 2013 #20

you are not stupid, so why lie to us Monkie Jun 2013 #31

Maybe you should try to read the article. You would learn something. DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #58

So you think the gov is lying to its staff through these docs usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #73

The Guardian seems determined to go full tilt temmer Jun 2013 #11

And god bless them for it! Catherina Jun 2013 #66

K&R marions ghost Jun 2013 #16

Slide about NSA analysts using data coming from both Prism and from the fiber-optic cables Catherina Jun 2013 #18

Which means that the FISA laws that supposedly protect Americans are basically irrelevant Jarla Jun 2013 #25

How would this differ from ECHELON? FarCenter Jun 2013 #26

How PRISM actually works: 15-20 AT&T fiber optic hubs have NSA-installed splitters just upstream Catherina Jun 2013 #27

I posted about this a few days ago Jarla Jun 2013 #33

I can only see posts 1, 4, 5 and your response to #5 Catherina Jun 2013 #44

Yeah but the AP article that dfk posted a link to Jarla Jun 2013 #53

Unfortunately, I'm not a technician Catherina Jun 2013 #59

Oh, sorry, I wasn't trying to do any hair-splitting Jarla Jun 2013 #61

No no lol Catherina Jun 2013 #64

the thing to understand is there are more than one program, some names were redacted in the slides Monkie Jun 2013 #75

+1 n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #80

Thank You! Jarla Jun 2013 #84

np at all. Monkie Jun 2013 #86

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Betcha not many people realize the NSA has a big presence in the UK jsr Jun 2013 #34

Not to mention, in South Asia. Coyotl Jun 2013 #36

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That is good news! Catherina Jun 2013 #71

pravda.uk finally bother with this? Monkie Jun 2013 #87

Oh goody, now we get to be accused of racism against the British! DRoseDARs Jun 2013 #35

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Maybe because it's all deemed legal Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #50

It's on the front page of Reddit right now Jarla Jun 2013 #57

But I thought this was a MSM hit against Obama? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #77

One thing I noticed hasn't been mentioned yet. Arctic Dave Jun 2013 #47

Prism is only 1 part. There are so many parts to this beast. Catherina Jun 2013 #62

Oh, I've seen something about Blarney Jarla Jun 2013 #68

"commercial partnerships" Catherina Jun 2013 #72

if i were to guess Monkie Jun 2013 #89

Interesting. Thank you. I do expect more lol Catherina Jun 2013 #90

i love how greenwald uses language Monkie Jun 2013 #93

"The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants, Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #51

Wider Coverage...Thanks Catherina KoKo Jun 2013 #54

That's really good news! Catherina Jun 2013 #92

Why do you hate Obama? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #70

I dunno. Everyone here knows damn well that I was one of his most ardent supporters Catherina Jun 2013 #74

I take comfort in the numbers usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #83

I wish I had the bandwidth to unignore people who are using that racist brush Catherina Jun 2013 #91

Excellent point! usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #98

HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #97