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215. The person who did that "Berlin then and now" thread should be laughed off the board

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 08:08 PM

Jun 2013

And this is the thing... someone NOT pushing an agenda when told that the event was invitation only would say, "oh, okay. I didn't know that."

But somehow, in this person's mind that was even MORE evidence of Obama's "diminished" stance overseas. I mean, it was so transparent and pitiful I almost hurt myself laughing. And the responses within the thread were hilarious.

Like I said before, I do think racism is a part of some of this. I honestly do. But I also honestly believe that some of this is deep overall unhappiness, paranoia, and a deep distrust of government -- ALL government. There is a reason that the vast majority of these people are on the margins. I honestly think they're happier there and it's where they want to be. Works for me.

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You Might Be A Racist, Not For Valid Obama Criticisms, But For Posting Rightwing Obama Smears [View all] KittyWampus Jun 2013 OP

Firebaggers = Teabaggers BumRushDaShow Jun 2013 #1

Is the NSA dragnetting millions of peoples phone data a bogus scandal? allin99 Jun 2013 #2

We've known they were doing phone data collection and archiving... gcomeau Jun 2013 #8

just a couple of questions regarding that... allin99 Jun 2013 #12

No they're not racist gcomeau Jun 2013 #16

okay, even though i disagree on... allin99 Jun 2013 #34

I didn't "already" know. tblue Jun 2013 #45

Don't agree lark Jun 2013 #151

The meme Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #97

So it's not a scandal, then? Is that what you're saying? Th1onein Jun 2013 #35

Sigh. gcomeau Jun 2013 #63

And, according to you, this program is legal because we have new laws, right? truebluegreen Jun 2013 #94

and are the laws legal? MNBrewer Jun 2013 #95

My point exactly. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #111

In other words... gcomeau Jun 2013 #119

*****AMEN!!!********** uponit7771 Jun 2013 #125

Oh puhleeze... truebluegreen Jun 2013 #136

They ARE doing warrantless wiretapping, by their own admission. Th1onein Jun 2013 #211

Are you certain of that? quakerboy Jun 2013 #224

^^^K&R^^^^ nt Progressive dog Jun 2013 #57

He signed it, he supports it, he owns it. Maven Jun 2013 #67

No, not same as Bush. gcomeau Jun 2013 #70

Yes, it's all been made "legal" now. Maven Jun 2013 #71

Performing the surveillance WITH A WARRANT gcomeau Jun 2013 #83

sorry but backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #113

Go ahead and be not cool with it. *I'M not cool with it. gcomeau Jun 2013 #117

no you're wrong backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #122

No, I'm not. gcomeau Jun 2013 #123

and here we see why our country is falling apart backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #127

Lack of basic reading comprehension? Yeah, could be. gcomeau Jun 2013 #131

insulting people really turns people to your PoV backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #146

You mean... gcomeau Jun 2013 #173

There is no need to get hung up on semantics. Whether we call it a "scandal" or something else it is totodeinhere Jun 2013 #141

Exactly. treestar Jun 2013 #158

You need to go back to the book.. Or "I dont think that word means what you think it means" quakerboy Jun 2013 #225

"Search everyone for anything" is still an illegal search. MNBrewer Jun 2013 #115

Which isn't being done. -eom gcomeau Jun 2013 #118

Yes, it is. MNBrewer Jun 2013 #139

All of a sudden?...WTF? zeemike Jun 2013 #72

Congress has refused to allow the President to close Gitmo or Agnosticsherbet Jun 2013 #112

It is the same old good cop bad cop argument. zeemike Jun 2013 #132

So the problem is Obama didn't disovle Congress and become a beneficant dicator. n/t Agnosticsherbet Jun 2013 #169

No the problem is he did not use the bully pulpit zeemike Jun 2013 #178

So you think he could use the bully pulpit and sway Congress with public opinion? Agnosticsherbet Jun 2013 #182

Well tell me when Obama called for raising the taxes on the rich zeemike Jun 2013 #184

Here you go. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2013 #188

Oh right I remember the Buffet rule zeemike Jun 2013 #192

The Republicans are not concerned with public opinion Agnosticsherbet Jun 2013 #223

He had a democratic congress for the first two years. zeemike Jun 2013 #233

Sorry but you are wrong. Really for only TWO MONTHS. Tx4obama Jun 2013 #238

Serious, serious props to you for your efforts in this thread Number23 Jun 2013 #212

He has not done one thing about the economy or joblessness duffyduff Jun 2013 #253

Yes we know that this has been going on. But some of us were naive enough to think that if we totodeinhere Jun 2013 #138

Yep. 'Tis true. This story was merely confirmation of what we knew already... Honeycombe8 Jun 2013 #222

What if you supported Obama in order to change this policy? n/t eridani Jun 2013 #240

the initial "scandal" was obama voting to let the telecom companies off the hook. tomp Jun 2013 #246

define phone data snooper2 Jun 2013 #20

what number you are calling, when and for how long. allin99 Jun 2013 #39

thank you snooper2 Jun 2013 #42

saved in code or not, the gov't is obtaining, and storing all of your phone activity. allin99 Jun 2013 #60

what do you mean saved in code? snooper2 Jun 2013 #62

someone has to retreive that information... allin99 Jun 2013 #91

that's not heaven05 Jun 2013 #28

even *if* people were "buying into scandal"... allin99 Jun 2013 #55

racism heaven05 Jun 2013 #75

give obama a chance to make changes to not only this program... allin99 Jun 2013 #86

i agree heaven05 Jun 2013 #96

But you see if you thorugh it in that bag with the horseshit. zeemike Jun 2013 #82

you can have 1 relevant issue... allin99 Jun 2013 #89

Yes zeemike Jun 2013 #99

Is the NSA dragnetting millions of peoples phone data a bogus scandal? The CCC Jun 2013 #41

Yes, it was a bogus scandal. pnwmom Jun 2013 #58

i don't like having my personal activity obtained and stored... allin99 Jun 2013 #80

Yes. It's a legal question. treestar Jun 2013 #155

and the loopholes in the law could create "scandals" for decades. allin99 Jun 2013 #157

To me it's not scandalous unless there is no legal question open treestar Jun 2013 #168

it's not about legal illegal, we know obama didn't do anything illegal... allin99 Jun 2013 #170

that system was there from inception of the FISA treestar Jun 2013 #171

"I don't think them having access to the metadata is as scary as some here find it to be" ... allin99 Jun 2013 #172

So if I know that you called a suicide hotline but didn't listen to the call-- eridani Jun 2013 #241

i don't like him because he's a politician datasuspect Jun 2013 #3

+1. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2013 #15

Could you please point out one instance of your having criticized the President cali Jun 2013 #4

The OP is the second post I have seen today where someone surprised me by posting that they rhett o rick Jun 2013 #17

well, maybe the author has been critical of the President, but I can't find cali Jun 2013 #36

Cali, why don't you search my journal from DU v. 2. And btw, whether I do or don't post my criticism KittyWampus Jun 2013 #218

I noticed that too Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #47

I've never seen one, either. /nt Marr Jun 2013 #22

this OP is by a diehard BOGer quinnox Jun 2013 #48

what is bog? allin99 Jun 2013 #93

Barrack Obama Group. Marr Jun 2013 #124

should be "groupie", lol. allin99 Jun 2013 #133

Jury results. Inkfreak Jun 2013 #163

you can't even spell the President's name correctly. I MAY have been in the BOG years ago in DU v.2 KittyWampus Jun 2013 #221

I merely described what the BOG is. Or rather was, when it was relevant. Marr Jun 2013 #226

"you can't even spell the President's name correctly" RetroLounge Jun 2013 #229

Been here far longer than you have and I have no fucking idea what BOGer is. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #220

Been here longer than you have. Try searching my journal on DU2. And whether I post criticisms on DU KittyWampus Jun 2013 #219

I've been here since 2001. Marr Jun 2013 #227

I'm waiting, too Aerows Jun 2013 #30

You know what Cali, I have been here since DU v.1. On DU v. 2 I had issues with his economic team KittyWampus Jun 2013 #217

Agree. ananda Jun 2013 #5

if it's "disrepectful" toward other dems is that racism? allin99 Jun 2013 #9

Valid criticism Aerows Jun 2013 #24

Who is going to let us know the "scandals" are "bogus"? Fumesucker Jun 2013 #6

We will. We are BOG. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #37

The only post with 100% truth I've seen from a BOrG BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #81

Everyone can decide themselves, after waiting a few days to see how the truth shakes out. pnwmom Jun 2013 #66

Who has been "jumping at Republican bait."? In the last couple of days, people have rhett o rick Jun 2013 #78

Speculation after a death is pointless till the facts come in. pnwmom Jun 2013 #110

Speculation is never pointless. It would be good if we had a button to push rhett o rick Jun 2013 #145

Watch FOX news for 15 minutes then get back to us on that one AgingAmerican Jun 2013 #153

If you are trying to make a point, I guess I miss it. You dont believe in speculation? nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #159

Whipping up suspicion about Obama on every front imaginable is what Fox specializes in. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #187

You just have to make me guess what the point is. I dont have a clue what this post and post 153 rhett o rick Jun 2013 #194

watch FOX news for 15 minutes AgingAmerican Jun 2013 #198

Your point? nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #206

See post #145 AgingAmerican Jun 2013 #236

Here's the deal. I am not going on a post hunt and try to figure out your point. You either have a rhett o rick Jun 2013 #239

In the context of all the fake scandals we've had since Benghazi, pnwmom Jun 2013 #199

I wont let Fox dictate whether I will speculate or not. I am free to speculate and I can tell the rhett o rick Jun 2013 #207

Like all of that stuff Greenwald said about the President lying about the NSA program last week. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #108

You have laid your finger on a subsidiary but not insignificant concern: we have HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #135

K & R. n/t FSogol Jun 2013 #7

The NSA is not a bogus scandal. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #10

It seems to me Aerows Jun 2013 #18

Except that, unfortunately, I don't know that the folks pushing the racism label Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #31

I was against it under Bush Aerows Jun 2013 #32

Is esalated drone warfare bogus? Social security cuts? Civil rights for gays? The Link Jun 2013 #11

killing a u.s. citizen without due process? a brown... allin99 Jun 2013 #235

Yet another Meta thread. n/t demmiblue Jun 2013 #13

This entire board Aerows Jun 2013 #14

It's more than one thing he has done against voters who believed what he said. L0oniX Jun 2013 #40

It's more than one thing Aerows Jun 2013 #50

That is it to a T. morningfog Jun 2013 #59

YOU'RE an example of a reasonable Obama CRITIC? Pardon me, but... Marr Jun 2013 #19

so because you think PRISM is a bogus scandal that means I have to agree with you or I'm an Obama liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #21

Who posts things from Breitbart? progressoid Jun 2013 #23

Here, reworded from breitbart Progressive dog Jun 2013 #101

Looks like that's from The Atlantic. progressoid Jun 2013 #121

try Breitbart they've got it too Progressive dog Jun 2013 #130

So does USA Today and CNN progressoid Jun 2013 #149

I call bullshit mick063 Jun 2013 #25

It may be irritating BainsBane Jun 2013 #26

I know. Take that Tom Tomorrow for example. He's totally "bought into" the NSA "bogus scandal". Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #27

How about using Rasmussen polling to smear the President? msanthrope Jun 2013 #29

I dont know what to make of this OP. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #33

You might be a worshipper zombie if you never agree with legit criticisms. L0oniX Jun 2013 #38

Holy Cow Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #43

You might be an ignorant asshole whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #44

+100 RetroLounge Jun 2013 #231

Is pointing out that Obama's nominee for FBI Director, James Comey, signed HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #46

Hit and Run??? n-t Logical Jun 2013 #49

This tripe is indefensible stupidity. I don't blame them for running. morningfog Jun 2013 #53

makes you wonder then Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #87

Probably just flame bait, with hopes of stifling dissent. Who knows? morningfog Jun 2013 #88

Here is how this all went down, as far as I can tell: demmiblue Jun 2013 #126

Perfect analysis. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #197

You know why threads like this are helpful? PDittie Jun 2013 #51

Oh my god. Give it a fucking rest.This racist under every rock bullshit morningfog Jun 2013 #52

+100. n/t Skip Intro Jun 2013 #56

Nope. None of that demonstrates racism. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #54

I just take issues with liberals who claim that by virtue of them being liberal, they can't Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #61

I don't think it's fair to 'call' anyone a racist on DU. randome Jun 2013 #68

I"M NOT CALLING ANYONE RACIST! I'm saying that I've SEEN racism here on DU. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #74

I wasn't saying you were. I was talking about all the threads going up on the subject. randome Jun 2013 #76

It is often difficult to provide evidence of subconscious racism. People think that only Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #105

I think subconscious racism is a HUGE issue. I believe that's what we're referring to here. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #140

True One of the 99 Jun 2013 #73

You said: "they couldn't handle a woman or minority who was an equal"... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #77

does that mean I'm not allowed to criticize Hillary either? Come on. Whatever happened to liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #92

Again, it's not about *legitimate* criticisms at all. Sigh... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #102

well I would guess we probably disagree about what legitimate means. liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #116

I never stated that the NSA scandal is bogus. Where did I write that? You must be responding to Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #137

This message was self-deleted by its author liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #142

I'm sure you would agree however that bona fide liberals are much less likely to be totodeinhere Jun 2013 #148

I agree that EVERYONE is far less likely to be racists than the Teabaggers. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #176

Disingenuous post that starts with a big lie ("I certainly do") Maven Jun 2013 #64

I'm a black man pissed off about the NSA spying. Apophis Jun 2013 #65

Absolutely not. The OP is not referring to legitimate criticisms of the president. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #79

What?!? whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #84

Sounds to me like an opinion. Why not debate that. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #103

The OP is attacking a strawman AgingAmerican Jun 2013 #109

Yep, the problem is that it's hard to find legitimate ones posted here treestar Jun 2013 #160

LOL, great point!! I guess the OP thinks you are a black racist. Rare I admit. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #128

ditto...black female who is critical of politicians noiretextatique Jun 2013 #147

tritto, another black female that is tired of a bunch of young white people... allin99 Jun 2013 #237

it's absolutely ridiculous noiretextatique Jun 2013 #256

that would make you self loathing.. frylock Jun 2013 #179

There are definitely Obama haters here but that doesn't mean their racists One of the 99 Jun 2013 #69

I don't know why people keep talking about the "extreme left" truebluegreen Jun 2013 #107

I never said anything about communists. One of the 99 Jun 2013 #174

as is conflating FDR dems with the "extreme left" frylock Jun 2013 #180

Very true, and thank you. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #183

I wasn't One of the 99 Jun 2013 #185

you may not have, but the OP certainly has.. frylock Jun 2013 #189

So reply to them One of the 99 Jun 2013 #195

Communists ARE the extreme left. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #181

And I never said a word about communists One of the 99 Jun 2013 #186

Quoting you, "There are definitely Obama haters here.... truebluegreen Jun 2013 #191

Again you dishonestly put words in my mouth. One of the 99 Jun 2013 #196

No, dear, the dictionary does that. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #200

Nice try! One of the 99 Jun 2013 #204

Simple test number two. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #85

I have HUGE issues obama2terms Jun 2013 #90

utter bullshit Enrique Jun 2013 #98

I don't think real liberals are posting stuff from Breitbart. Cleita Jun 2013 #100

You left one out AgingAmerican Jun 2013 #104

Pathetic OP. Stinkin' up he joint. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #106

And you might be racist for blanket accusations of racism AgingAmerican Jun 2013 #114

Racism? flying rabbit Jun 2013 #120

That's not "racist". It's stupid.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #129

The only RW connection I've observed... HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #134

Thanks for posting this, Kitty. Firebrand Gary Jun 2013 #143

bull...shit noiretextatique Jun 2013 #144

+ Sissyk Jun 2013 #166

indeed, Sissyk...i just got an email from Hatewatch noiretextatique Jun 2013 #177

Boolean logic might be helpful here Android3.14 Jun 2013 #150

So now the determination of our opinions on race Savannahmann Jun 2013 #152

Well said treestar Jun 2013 #154

Yep. GoCubsGo Jun 2013 #165

What scandals? I have yet to see a single example of the Benghazi crap or the IRS crap-- eridani Jun 2013 #243

It's not a scandal; it's a legal issue treestar Jun 2013 #249

Yes, a law just like Citizens United eridani Jun 2013 #251

Citizens United is the law right now treestar Jun 2013 #254

Obama is an undercover Republican, limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #156

Obama's been undercover for 5 years? Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #161

Were criticisms of Clinton bombing Kosovo or pushing NAFTA 'racist'? Matariki Jun 2013 #162

K&R rury Jun 2013 #164

Scandal meanit Jun 2013 #167

& No rec's from any gungeoneers I recognize Kolesar Jun 2013 #175

So only gungeoneers think the OP is bull shit? hack89 Jun 2013 #190

Is it possible to dislike the Obama Administration and not be a racist? (nt) nessa Jun 2013 #193

The o.p. just answered yes to that question. Reading "comprehension" is fundamental. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #201

And WHO determines what is or isn't a "bogus scandal"? bvar22 Jun 2013 #202

Most Obama criticisms ARE RW Obama smears nt karmalk Jun 2013 #203

most criticism of "obama criticisms" is utter stinking bullcrap... tomp Jun 2013 #247

ps: what just occurred to me... tomp Jun 2013 #248

Got to watch it when someone posts a source from a Repuke site. Rex Jun 2013 #205

Racisim as a joke Piasladic Jun 2013 #208

I'll post my concerns, irregardless of whether some Republican somewhere wrote it first or not. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #209

With BROAD NET like yours...... DeSwiss Jun 2013 #210

My ideas about society, politics, and government cheapdate Jun 2013 #213

So to turn your last point around on you: JoeyT Jun 2013 #214

Who would assume that? It's obviously false. cheapdate Jun 2013 #216

The person who did that "Berlin then and now" thread should be laughed off the board Number23 Jun 2013 #215

You're so right... Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #234

Oh for frack's sake. Daemonaquila Jun 2013 #228

Joy Reid said this on Hardball (I'm paraphrasing) BrainMann1 Jun 2013 #230

I see. You don't consider reinstating New Deal legislation as "something to do"? eridani Jun 2013 #244

You might be an idiot RetroLounge Jun 2013 #232

you are truly on one desperate roll tonight. that's ok though, i find it quite entertaining! boilerbabe Jun 2013 #242

This is a mess. sibelian Jun 2013 #245

These "you're a racist if" threads sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #250

Oh, for Pete's sake. duffyduff Jun 2013 #252

I wish I had your special insight into other people's inner motivations. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #255