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felix_numinous

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43. What I find ironic

Reply to usGovOwesUs3Trillion (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 08:23 PM

Jun 2013

is that surveillance when abused often gets turned against minorities, foreigners, and if used by theocrats against women and gays. This is why the ACLU has opposed these practices. And this is why I stand firm against these breaches of privacy.

I would like someone to come up with ONE historic account of a country using extreme surveillance that used it ethically. There are countless examples of it being used it abusively.

I am wondering if a lot of the racist outrage has to do with what is being broadcasted on the MSM, which I am not aware of (I don't get cable) which may make what I 'agree' with sound like I also approve of the thinly veiled racism present on FOX and other networks.

I am certain that President Obama has been under constant attack by them, and they DO have a racist bent to their broadcasts. I am aware of this, and all of the nastiness coming from the right which must be truly exhausting and insulting. True and destructive racism DOES exist in this country, but it does not help to dump anger about it on people on the left who are advocates for equality and protection under the law.

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Please don't call people racist because they disagree with you [View all] usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 OP

Nice Post, George Wallace taterguy Jun 2013 #1

Really? Come on. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #76

Please open your eyes. Usually people who say their aren't racist are racist. Time southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #2

and it's not just republicans nt karmalk Jun 2013 #4

your right. But dems on the whole are openned to having a big tent. Republicans aren't. southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #6

Likewise. Calling a whole group of DUers names doesn't prove anything, and says more about the name usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #10

What are you drinking? Take a chill pill will ya. Gee southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #30

Have you really been living under a rock for the past week? Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #38

No I can't say I have seen any. But that doesn't mean there isn't. For me I have lots southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #55

Here are two Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #60

I think you are projecting. You are the one throwing the rude comments like, rhett o rick Jun 2013 #118

I didn't start this conversation in the first place. If you don't like don't read my post. I southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #119

I never claimed you are a racist. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #120

thank you for that much. I don't want to fight with you anyway. Have a good southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #121

I'm with you. cheapdate Jun 2013 #65

I am We usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #93

I think that George is referring to the people who are calling fellow DUers racist when they Th1onein Jun 2013 #27

Well he is very touchy. I thought he was calling DUers racists in general. I would southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #32

I'd be touchy, too. Th1onein Jun 2013 #39

I haven't seen anyone here call DUers racist because of this NSA stuff. I wasn't saying that. southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #53

Two or three pages of GD should get you a dozen threads. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #63

"It is what it is" Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #71

Just becasue Obama's parents were of different races sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #92

An OP implied that people who are upset about the NSA revelations Hissyspit Jun 2013 #35

Usually people who say they aren't Communist are Communist.--- Sen J oe McCarthy MiddleFingerMom Jun 2013 #68

Careful, 60 million voted Republican. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #77

Why? The truth hurt? Go ahead censure your heart out. That is the republican southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #117

Please enlighten us with examples of DU tblue Jun 2013 #83

there's nothing wrong for calling it racism, when that's what it is karmalk Jun 2013 #3

Was it racist against texans in that case...when I raised bloody hell nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #5

'Don't bother answering, I know your answer' karmalk Jun 2013 #7

Are you talking to me? southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #8

talking to you? karmalk Jun 2013 #12

LOL, thanks for the laugh. southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #33

"this whole nsa 'outrage' is anti Obama racism" Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #11

Oh Lizzie Poppet tblue Jun 2013 #86

Right on! Enthusiast Jun 2013 #112

That is pure, shameless horse shit. arcane1 Jun 2013 #26

Wrong. progressoid Jun 2013 #28

There's also nothing wrong with calling it racism JoeyT Jun 2013 #36

Kind of like "whites will be the minority in such-and-such year" arcane1 Jun 2013 #41

Some trolling is so amateurish. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #52

I don't believe that Jenoch Jun 2013 #72

BS pure bull 840high Jun 2013 #78

The whole NSA outrage is racist? Really now. Wanna explain that to me? Skip Intro Jun 2013 #79

Here - Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #87

No. The whole NSA outrage is NSA outrage. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #80

I must be a self-loathing black man then. Apophis Jun 2013 #84

Who here called you, specifcally, a racist because he or she disagreed with you? ucrdem Jun 2013 #9

There have been many threads recently calling DUers against NSA usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #14

But no one here specifically called you a racist, thank you. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #16

Yes, they have... I am in that group against the spying. usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #18

Me too nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #20

"You, specifically" sibelian Jun 2013 #110

The race card is frequently a tactic of apologists/cheerleaders/sock puppets to distract and divide. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #13

and 'race card' is a term usually used by racists nt karmalk Jun 2013 #22

Now you are imply your fellow DUer is a racist usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #29

Between ignore and trash thread, you can disappear all those people Catherina Jun 2013 #15

A very good idea which I am implementing. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #17

Could we out each other on mutual ignore? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #19

As I said in my OP I am against censorship usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #21

and some of us are against racism nt karmalk Jun 2013 #23

No, you are not against racism you are exploiting racism for your own agenda Bjorn Against Jun 2013 #37

+1000 n/t Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #40

PLUS ONE! nt Enthusiast Jun 2013 #113

Quiet, troll. Adults are talking. n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #59

It ain't censorship to tell right-wing griefers to take their shit elsewhere. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #54

It is to tell DUers that. usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #58

+1,000! I may have to summon more Klingons soon! backscatter712 Jun 2013 #64

Huge K&R! quinnox Jun 2013 #24

My dear friend, it's best not to ask nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #45

It is much worse than assuming President Obama is divine. bvar22 Jun 2013 #66

And for the win! Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #88

You know, there are some things that just are or aren't. Cleita Jun 2013 #25

So completely wrong Recursion Jun 2013 #82

So explain what you are saying. Cleita Jun 2013 #94

But then why is it OK to call people apologists, authoritarians or cheerleaders treestar Jun 2013 #31

Well usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #47

Ok got it treestar Jun 2013 #50

You got it all wrong usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #62

LOL, can't we all just get along? southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #34

Hmm.... onpatrol98 Jun 2013 #42

Please don't disrupt the pity party. Number23 Jun 2013 #67

Point well taken! onpatrol98 Jun 2013 #69

"Wake me when it's over..." I know that's right Number23 Jun 2013 #70

You need to take those blinders off. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #90

Perhaps you should take your own advice. Number23 Jun 2013 #91

To the contrary, Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #95

So when people claimed that he was responsible for getting the bankers in NYC the Number23 Jun 2013 #97

What I find ironic felix_numinous Jun 2013 #43

Actually we are seeing this here nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #46

Well said usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #49

There are lots of tactics used on this board to shut down discussion CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #44

Of course usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #51

How ELSE is conversation on a topic supposed to be suppressed? cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #48

Quelling discussion and even dissent, attempting to limit the conversation Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #56

If they were interested in rational discourse, they wouldn't have firebombed DU with that charge. DRoseDARs Jun 2013 #57

How true. NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #73

"support each other in the common goal of making America a more progressive, democratic country" Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #61

Very good post. Thank you. NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #74

I know a lot of us feel the same way usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #106

Right after... one_voice Jun 2013 #75

You misunderstand usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #85

Great post. This kind of thing has been going on for a while. Skip Intro Jun 2013 #81

Personal appeals and reason do not work on people that would smear... allin99 Jun 2013 #89

Exactly! What do you think the point of my being nasty with them is? backscatter712 Jun 2013 #96

Agreed, they're really low lifes. but question... allin99 Jun 2013 #98

It's not just about Snowden. The same lowlifes have a longer-term pattern. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #99

so it's just for obama?.... allin99 Jun 2013 #100

I don't think it's about Obama either. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #101

no i mean why... allin99 Jun 2013 #105

I think a lot of the why is psychological. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #107

hmmm. interesting. it makes sense that it's personality traits... allin99 Jun 2013 #109

OK, I'll call them bigots instead rightsideout Jun 2013 #102

Really? n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #103

Why, because DUers disagree with you, Washington usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #104

This only gets 34 recs so far? MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #108

I wont call anyone racist so long as they.... LostOne4Ever Jun 2013 #111

It seems to me that there HappyMe Jun 2013 #114

being provoked into outraged denials by outright griefers carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #115

+1 sibelian Jun 2013 #116

I hear conservatives say that all the time michigandem58 Jun 2013 #122

I don't think anyone is saying that. hughee99 Jun 2013 #123