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152. nope, those are two straw men you created.

Reply to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #114)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 07:56 AM

Jun 2013

and it does not surprise me that you can't or won't further explain or elaborate.

i haven't heard anyone on du refer to obama as a dictator; sell out, misleader, misrepresenter, maybe, but dictator, that's not really a general claim. so that straw man crashes and burns.

i have heard people say obama was powerless to change certain things, and this is undoubtedly true, up to a point. the point is that when you run for any high office, including senator or president, YOU KNOW THAT ALREADY (or if you actually don't know that, you're just a lame ass--but that never happens, although many here on du are not aware of that). So to promise or lead people to think otherwise is disingenuous, at best. straw man #2 down.

a truly slipshod effort on your part.

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