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In reply to the discussion: The abuse of FISA, prosecuting whistleblowers, PRISM, kill lists. Guess what. It isn't about Obama [View all]treestar
(82,383 posts)59. Non responsive
I would rather the courts decide than you decide. Why is that unwise on my part?
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The abuse of FISA, prosecuting whistleblowers, PRISM, kill lists. Guess what. It isn't about Obama [View all]
Nuclear Unicorn
Jun 2013
OP
The abuse of FISA, PRISM, surveilling journalists and kill lists are still realities.
Nuclear Unicorn
Jun 2013
#2
All the NSA stuff is based on Snowden's ridiculous claims that have no evidence.
randome
Jun 2013
#11
First the phone metadata has always been ruled as belonging to the companies, not individuals.
randome
Jun 2013
#23
That MD belongs to the carrier service is irrelevant. It allows a blanket invasion against citizens
Nuclear Unicorn
Jun 2013
#26
The OP is not about whether they have legal cover or not. All powers try to validate their
GoneFishin
Jun 2013
#40
Courts have ruled for a hundred years or so that third-party records are not yours.
randome
Jun 2013
#74
Bullshit. What do you think retroactive immunity for the telecoms was all about. LEGAL COVER.
GoneFishin
Jun 2013
#150
when randome says one thing in one thread, that directly contradicts what he said in another thread
Monkie
Jun 2013
#142
I could steal a pencil from the office and use that as evidence I stole something,
Life Long Dem
Jun 2013
#98
If you stole heroin from the office it would be proof your boss deals heroin.
Nuclear Unicorn
Jun 2013
#104
You forgot Meta Data, Meta Data, Meta Data, Meta Data, Meta Data, Meta Data,
GoneFishin
Jun 2013
#43
You misunderstood the tone of my post. It is in the context of a list of tired and worn excuses.
GoneFishin
Jun 2013
#149
I think that about covers it. I've been accused of being at least two of those as I
SlimJimmy
Jun 2013
#66
And yet no one can furnish evidence of this. It's all just manufactured crisis crap.
randome
Jun 2013
#17
How do you use the FOREIGN Intelligence Surveillance Act for a solely domestic operation?
Nuclear Unicorn
Jun 2013
#28
I don't consider it to be spying. I understand your point of view but I disagree with it.
randome
Jun 2013
#76
"...sometimes circumvented the spirit of the law..." isn't that melodramatic where I come from.
randome
Jun 2013
#39
By "fine line," I assume you're talking about that toss of a coin + 1%, right?
Th1onein
Jun 2013
#101
Why do you keep saying they are pulling everything? There is no evidence of that.
randome
Jun 2013
#112
Perhaps I don't understand, what if anything has changed from Bush to President Obama
A Simple Game
Jun 2013
#123
You misunderstood my question, what changed from Bush to President Obama?
A Simple Game
Jun 2013
#130
I mistakenly believed Obama had a hand in that. But he did have a hand in this.
randome
Jun 2013
#135
Obama is in power, it is on his terms and definitions that he goes after "leakers"
morningfog
Jun 2013
#113
I don't know the precise legal terms myself but I know they have very different legal meanings.
randome
Jun 2013
#79
Drake also stole documents and I believe that was the only charge that stuck, wasn't it?
randome
Jun 2013
#89
K & R Wonderful report, also the freedom to move about the country and our home streets might be a
Thinkingabout
Jun 2013
#5
I did not like the wiretapping without a warrant or even when the excuse we don't have time to
Thinkingabout
Jun 2013
#8
Do you think this will be overturned by courts, those judges know the Constitution and will see the
Thinkingabout
Jun 2013
#10
It will become the worst of the worst if you insist on sad arguments like that.
Nuclear Unicorn
Jun 2013
#22
It's better than your system where the law and the Constitution are ignored to spy on everyone.
Nuclear Unicorn
Jun 2013
#44
Clapper lied. He had time to prepare an answer and he had time to privately amend his answer
Nuclear Unicorn
Jun 2013
#42
Maybe he was afraid that some would blow it out of proportion. If so, he called that right.
randome
Jun 2013
#56
when randome says one thing in one thread, that directly contradicts what he said in another thread
Monkie
Jun 2013
#143
He lied. Let's call it what it was. He could have answered the question by saying
SlimJimmy
Jun 2013
#77
There have been at least three other whistle blowers that have verified what he said. Getting
SlimJimmy
Jun 2013
#114
The only 'secret document' that has shown anything is the warrant about phone metadata.
randome
Jun 2013
#118
They *needed* the warrant because the meta data does touch on the fourth amendment
SlimJimmy
Jun 2013
#138
Sorry for the delay in responding. We were out to dinner last night with friends.
SlimJimmy
Jun 2013
#165
K&R Also about the guy BEFORE Obama - and if that walking-around-free-thanks-to-Obama war criminal
MotherPetrie
Jun 2013
#45