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In reply to the discussion: The abuse of FISA, prosecuting whistleblowers, PRISM, kill lists. Guess what. It isn't about Obama [View all]randome
(34,845 posts)60. In case you haven't been paying attention for the past hundred years or so...
...our entire legal framework depends on the precise meaning of words.
Obama greatly expanded and enhanced the whistleblower protections.
He has prosecuted more leakers than previous administrations because...there are more leakers!
His National Declassification Center will issue a report in Dec. of this year.
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The abuse of FISA, prosecuting whistleblowers, PRISM, kill lists. Guess what. It isn't about Obama [View all]
Nuclear Unicorn
Jun 2013
OP
The abuse of FISA, PRISM, surveilling journalists and kill lists are still realities.
Nuclear Unicorn
Jun 2013
#2
All the NSA stuff is based on Snowden's ridiculous claims that have no evidence.
randome
Jun 2013
#11
First the phone metadata has always been ruled as belonging to the companies, not individuals.
randome
Jun 2013
#23
That MD belongs to the carrier service is irrelevant. It allows a blanket invasion against citizens
Nuclear Unicorn
Jun 2013
#26
The OP is not about whether they have legal cover or not. All powers try to validate their
GoneFishin
Jun 2013
#40
Courts have ruled for a hundred years or so that third-party records are not yours.
randome
Jun 2013
#74
Bullshit. What do you think retroactive immunity for the telecoms was all about. LEGAL COVER.
GoneFishin
Jun 2013
#150
when randome says one thing in one thread, that directly contradicts what he said in another thread
Monkie
Jun 2013
#142
I could steal a pencil from the office and use that as evidence I stole something,
Life Long Dem
Jun 2013
#98
If you stole heroin from the office it would be proof your boss deals heroin.
Nuclear Unicorn
Jun 2013
#104
You forgot Meta Data, Meta Data, Meta Data, Meta Data, Meta Data, Meta Data,
GoneFishin
Jun 2013
#43
You misunderstood the tone of my post. It is in the context of a list of tired and worn excuses.
GoneFishin
Jun 2013
#149
I think that about covers it. I've been accused of being at least two of those as I
SlimJimmy
Jun 2013
#66
And yet no one can furnish evidence of this. It's all just manufactured crisis crap.
randome
Jun 2013
#17
How do you use the FOREIGN Intelligence Surveillance Act for a solely domestic operation?
Nuclear Unicorn
Jun 2013
#28
I don't consider it to be spying. I understand your point of view but I disagree with it.
randome
Jun 2013
#76
"...sometimes circumvented the spirit of the law..." isn't that melodramatic where I come from.
randome
Jun 2013
#39
By "fine line," I assume you're talking about that toss of a coin + 1%, right?
Th1onein
Jun 2013
#101
Why do you keep saying they are pulling everything? There is no evidence of that.
randome
Jun 2013
#112
Perhaps I don't understand, what if anything has changed from Bush to President Obama
A Simple Game
Jun 2013
#123
You misunderstood my question, what changed from Bush to President Obama?
A Simple Game
Jun 2013
#130
I mistakenly believed Obama had a hand in that. But he did have a hand in this.
randome
Jun 2013
#135
Obama is in power, it is on his terms and definitions that he goes after "leakers"
morningfog
Jun 2013
#113
I don't know the precise legal terms myself but I know they have very different legal meanings.
randome
Jun 2013
#79
Drake also stole documents and I believe that was the only charge that stuck, wasn't it?
randome
Jun 2013
#89
K & R Wonderful report, also the freedom to move about the country and our home streets might be a
Thinkingabout
Jun 2013
#5
I did not like the wiretapping without a warrant or even when the excuse we don't have time to
Thinkingabout
Jun 2013
#8
Do you think this will be overturned by courts, those judges know the Constitution and will see the
Thinkingabout
Jun 2013
#10
It will become the worst of the worst if you insist on sad arguments like that.
Nuclear Unicorn
Jun 2013
#22
It's better than your system where the law and the Constitution are ignored to spy on everyone.
Nuclear Unicorn
Jun 2013
#44
Clapper lied. He had time to prepare an answer and he had time to privately amend his answer
Nuclear Unicorn
Jun 2013
#42
Maybe he was afraid that some would blow it out of proportion. If so, he called that right.
randome
Jun 2013
#56
when randome says one thing in one thread, that directly contradicts what he said in another thread
Monkie
Jun 2013
#143
He lied. Let's call it what it was. He could have answered the question by saying
SlimJimmy
Jun 2013
#77
There have been at least three other whistle blowers that have verified what he said. Getting
SlimJimmy
Jun 2013
#114
The only 'secret document' that has shown anything is the warrant about phone metadata.
randome
Jun 2013
#118
They *needed* the warrant because the meta data does touch on the fourth amendment
SlimJimmy
Jun 2013
#138
Sorry for the delay in responding. We were out to dinner last night with friends.
SlimJimmy
Jun 2013
#165
K&R Also about the guy BEFORE Obama - and if that walking-around-free-thanks-to-Obama war criminal
MotherPetrie
Jun 2013
#45