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In reply to the discussion: As most of us thought, Obama is a center, center right president [View all]eomer
(3,845 posts)173. No, I'm discussing working through the well-known steps that are required to enact legislation.
I'm not saying anything different from what I said to start with. I responded to this:
And the GOP, in closing ranks against almost every major initiative Obama has attempted, has taken away most of his opportunities to be truly liberal. The fight to get to 60 votes in the Senate has ensured, over and over, that Obama must aim his legislation at either the most conservative Democrats or the most moderate Republicans. In this, Obama has only been as liberal as Sens. Ben Nelson and Scott Brown have permitted him to be. And thats not very liberal.
The above claim is not true. On many important issues Obama and Congressional Democrats did not have their hands tied. They had a well-known process that has been used almost every year and for most major legislation over the last several decades. They knew how to use it. They chose not to.
There is no question that they could have permanently raised taxes on the wealthy. If there is anything that is allowed under reconciliation it is changes to the tax code that will reduce the deficit. Yes, they had to go through the proper steps to get this done; they couldn't wait until the last minute because it is a multi-step process. But that is their job and they do know what the steps are. They pretended their hands were tied because they want it both ways: they want to fool us into thinking they are working for us but at the same time want to be able to sell themselves to the 1% by giving them private assurances that it's all just a show.
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Polls do indicate where the governed feel like that person is governing from.
phleshdef
Feb 2012
#166
Moderate means anything from left of center to right of center. If you're a Democrat, it's left
Honeycombe8
Feb 2012
#178
I agree with that assessment for the most part. He is the most moderate Democratic president
pinto
Feb 2012
#42
Except that that narrative is totally false. 60 votes were not needed in 2009 or 2010.
eomer
Feb 2012
#58
Who writes legislation, holds a vote and, if passed, sends it to the executive's desk?
pinto
Feb 2012
#61
And what are those rules? Both SCHIP and Medicare Advantage were created by a reconciliation bill.
eomer
Feb 2012
#92
No, an omnibus bill is just a variation of reconciliation that is broader in span, but there was
eomer
Feb 2012
#165
No, I'm discussing working through the well-known steps that are required to enact legislation.
eomer
Feb 2012
#173
You post another's opinion as 'fact', then call the response to such nonsense a personal attack.
Ikonoklast
Feb 2012
#48
Read like that to me. I certainly hope that longtime Democrats are not shown the door
sabrina 1
Feb 2012
#94
The facts seem to demonstrate that he's miles to the right of Eisenhower
MannyGoldstein
Feb 2012
#27
Eisenhower's words on preventive war are certainly to the left of the Presidents
sad sally
Feb 2012
#64
The "silent majority" had better become "un-silent" if they really want Medicare-for-all
Proud Liberal Dem
Feb 2012
#107
If you send the administrators a PM, they can probably get you back into your old account.
cbayer
Feb 2012
#35
Why would you even make such a suggestion to someone known on DU as a longtime
sabrina 1
Feb 2012
#96
Doesn't explain his ardent support for three Bush "free" trade agreements
MannyGoldstein
Feb 2012
#34
Two years of no cost of living raises were cuts to those in this society who needed the money
sabrina 1
Feb 2012
#97
Thanks to the progressives in Congress like Conyers who made those intentions public.
sabrina 1
Feb 2012
#99
The problem is that our only two options are center/center right and hard right
MadHound
Feb 2012
#122
i'll be happy when the republican party regains enough sanity that 'moderate', 'centrist'
xchrom
Feb 2012
#54
As will I, too many Republicans in (D)rag pretending to speak as Democrats /nt
Dragonfli
Feb 2012
#121
I'm noticing something different. He's forcing the Republicans to the right...
joshcryer
Feb 2012
#59
It's hard to take this survey seriously when they consider Clinton more left than HST and LBJ...
Drunken Irishman
Feb 2012
#67
The effort to attack Obama from the right and the left continues to become ...
JoePhilly
Feb 2012
#73
Thanks to Occupy, Candidate Obama has paused his demands to cut Social Security
MannyGoldstein
Feb 2012
#77
If one predicts that Obama is about to kill Social Security over and over and over ...
JoePhilly
Feb 2012
#86
Just because some people won't accept an answer dosn't mean the question wasn't answered nt
Bodhi BloodWave
Feb 2012
#179
I'm a political scientist myself, and Kenneth Poole hasn't been relevant for at least 20 years
Liberal_Stalwart71
Feb 2012
#82
No worries. Dr. Poole is from the "old school" way of doing things. Not that he wasn't
Liberal_Stalwart71
Feb 2012
#111
I mean in the political science discipline. And you're right. 1992 was a huge year for
Liberal_Stalwart71
Feb 2012
#187
I don't consider indefinite detention and 30.000 drones in American sky
woo me with science
Feb 2012
#112
Clinton was more "right" than Obama. But they were faced w different situations....
Honeycombe8
Feb 2012
#127
The corporate insurance mandate was the greatest gift to the one percent
woo me with science
Feb 2012
#130
Obama didn't continue the tax breaks. Congress did. Re Iraq War, as I said, he campaigned on it.
Honeycombe8
Feb 2012
#177
I think this is a worthless study. Obama certainly is not more to the right of Bill Clinton
WI_DEM
Feb 2012
#156
It's Really Sad seeing our most Conservative DU posters disagree with this
fascisthunter
Feb 2012
#185