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FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
39. No one illegally sells legal products?
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 05:53 PM
Feb 2012

No one is bootlegging booze and smokes? No one is hijacking trucks? No one is doing smash and grabs at party stores and tobacco shops?

For what you are proposing, drugs would not only have to be legal, they would have to be wide spread and affordable, otherwise if they are taxed the way people advocate, then the criminals will steal legal supplies and/or keep producing them and still managing to make a nice cut.

Or they will just turn to theft, robbery, and violent crime.

As for the Portugal experiment - drugs are decriminalized, not legalized. In general I like their approach of pushing treatment instead of incarceration.

I found what seems to be the most authoritative site on the Portugal solution at http://www.idt.pt/EN/Paginas/HomePage.aspx

In particular, I would like to call people's attention to a paper on the Portuguese Drug Strategy:

http://www.idt.pt/EN/RelacoesInternacionais/Documents/2009/estrategia_eng.pdf

And finally, I found an interesting story in The New Yorker - http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/10/17/111017fa_fact_specter

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"For people caught with no more than a ten-day supply of marijuana, heroin, ecstasy, cocaine, or crystal methamphetamine—anything, really—there would be no arrests, no prosecutions, no prison sentences. Dealers are still sent to prison, or fined, or both, but, for the past decade, Portugal has treated drug abuse solely as a public-health issue. That doesn’t mean drugs are legal in Portugal. When caught, people are summoned before an administrative body called the Commission for the Dissuasion of Drug Addiction. Each panel consists of three members—usually a lawyer or a judge, a doctor, and a psychologist or a social worker. The commissioners have three options: recommend treatment, levy a small fine, or do nothing. In most respects, the law seems to have worked: serious drug use is down significantly, particularly among young people; the burden on the criminal-justice system has eased; the number of people seeking treatment has grown; and the rates of drug-related deaths and cases of infectious diseases have fallen."

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"Unfortunately, nothing about substance abuse is simple. For instance, although many people maintain that addiction would decline if drugs were legal in the United States, the misuse of legally sold prescription medications has become a bigger health problem than the sale of narcotics or cocaine. There are questions not only about the best way to address addiction but also about how far any society should go, morally, philosophically, and economically, to placate drug addicts."

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Portugal seems to have the best idea that I have seen, but don't mistake that they have legalized drugs, or are accepting of them, or that they are consequence free.

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Uh.... Michael Jackson was "getting to a doctor". femmocrat Feb 2012 #1
Forget it, he's rolling. eShirl Feb 2012 #4
Yer' harshing my buzz femmocrat cbrer Feb 2012 #11
legalize them. spanone Feb 2012 #38
Cool, Tony! So you want us to be able to be prescribed crack and heroin by our doctors? (eyeroll) richmwill Feb 2012 #2
Harm Reduction is smart compared to the destructive consequences of prohibition. eShirl Feb 2012 #3
It takes 6 hours to get booked for crack....it's takes six months to get into rehab...maybe... Lochloosa Feb 2012 #5
Actually it is a very smart move. MadHound Feb 2012 #6
Thank you..I did not have the patience Lochloosa Feb 2012 #7
great post, thank you nt steve2470 Feb 2012 #8
Thanks, you nailed it. <3 Spock_is_Skeptical Feb 2012 #10
+1 legalize it flamingdem Feb 2012 #12
yep. Little Star Feb 2012 #29
Yes! Yes! Yes! Fix The Stupid Feb 2012 #30
++ Good post cbrer Feb 2012 #13
If only it were that easy FrodosPet Feb 2012 #16
I am basing my observations in reality, MadHound Feb 2012 #25
So WHAT do we legalize? FrodosPet Feb 2012 #31
We legalize everything, for reasons that I named above MadHound Feb 2012 #35
No one illegally sells legal products? FrodosPet Feb 2012 #39
What is the proportion of illegal booze sold compared to legal booze? MadHound Feb 2012 #44
After 35 years of using marijuana, roody Feb 2012 #46
Holy crap, you and me agree on something! TheWraith Feb 2012 #19
Well it does happen once in a blue moon. MadHound Feb 2012 #26
+1 Little Star Feb 2012 #28
Yeah, just like our doctors prescribe alcohol. (eyeroll) cbrer Feb 2012 #15
I would very much like for doctors to be able to prescribe heroin Fozzledick Feb 2012 #17
Actually, they do prescribe heroin, kind of. TheWraith Feb 2012 #20
I think "quotation" marks should be more "tightly" regulated Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #21
I do! It's called "harm reduction" Taverner Feb 2012 #33
the drugs came from a doctor riverwalker Feb 2012 #9
But his heart is in the right place. nt DCKit Feb 2012 #14
So fucking what? Taverner Feb 2012 #34
Legalizing drugs would have kept Amy Winehouse alive? Ter Feb 2012 #18
The only thing that could have kept Amy Winehouse alive was Amy Winehouse. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #23
If the ONLY choices are full legalization and what we've got now, I'll go with full legalization. Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #22
I was thinking that if drugs were legal people.. Little Star Feb 2012 #27
I think the best advertisement against meth is meth users themselves. But when anti-drug programs Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #32
good topic jessicasiny Feb 2012 #24
What we should be doing is calling for stricter regulations on Big Pharma. Initech Feb 2012 #36
Is the pattern that legal products are still abused? FrodosPet Feb 2012 #40
No - I'm saying the stuff Big Pharma produces is just as dangerous. Initech Feb 2012 #42
Perhaps nationalize the pharmaceutical industry? FrodosPet Feb 2012 #43
I like Tony's singing Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2012 #37
So basically, the government can get rich from drug users instead of 'gangsters.' Dreamer Tatum Feb 2012 #41
Would a representative government be more accountable to the people than the gangsters? Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #45
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