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ProSense

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Sat Jun 22, 2013, 09:54 PM

Jun 2013

Do you think that waging this PR war against Snowden on DU has any real-world impact?

Serious question. Its a lot of effort to post endlessly about this person in an effort to smear them. In your honest assessment, how many minds do you think you have changed on DU regarding:

1. John Snowden
2. Government Spying
3. How it reflects on Obama

Do you feel this PR war has any measurable benefit in the real world, even assuming it has any here? If not, why the effort?

Im just curious. Im not trying to be mean. Im just trying to understand a bit about it on a human level. Maybe I am wrong, but it seems like an immense amount of effort for very little effect in any measurable way (so I wouldn't exactly engage in it). I really wonder how much DU is just a bubbled echo chamber that has any bearing in reality. Its nice to be able to walk away a few months, or come back and laugh at ridiculousness--that's a nice freedom.

...you're not "serious." You're upset that all the posts on DU aren't pro-Snowden.

Whatever I post has as much "real-world impact" as the other posts.

Poll: Majority Says Snowden Did A Good Thing, But He Should Be Prosecuted
http://election.democraticunderground.com/10023008441

Pew poll: Public Split over Impact of NSA Leak, But Most Want Snowden Prosecuted
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023036390

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Leak probe has chilled sources, AP exec says [View all] Bonobo Jun 2013 OP

AP Editor: ProSense Jun 2013 #1

Irrelevant. Bonobo Jun 2013 #2

It's very relevant. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #3

What an AP editor call Snowden is not relevant to the larger issue. Bonobo Jun 2013 #5

Do you think that waging this PR war against Snowden on DU has any real-world impact? NoOneMan Jun 2013 #10

No, ProSense Jun 2013 #12

Wow... 99Forever Jun 2013 #21

The entire thing is comical to me NoOneMan Jun 2013 #23

LOL! ProSense Jun 2013 #34

So you are having fun with the PR campaign against Snowden? NoOneMan Jun 2013 #38

My view hasn't changed. I support the President 100%. I don't stand with Rand. graham4anything Jun 2013 #39

This isn't isn't about your preferred dance partner NoOneMan Jun 2013 #43

I do. I stand with the Principles of Barack Obama and trust the people I HIRED with MY Vote. graham4anything Jun 2013 #46

You don't have your own principles? NoOneMan Jun 2013 #48

"I stand with the Principles of Barack Obama" also Union Scribe Jun 2013 #60

I stand with the constitution and a free society. panzerfaust Jun 2013 #66

the link about how obama was protecting whistleblowers would of been much more on topic Monkie Jun 2013 #17

A trademark of all authoritarian governments. Arctic Dave Jun 2013 #4

Guess this is the answer for the importance of Sniwden, he is a huge disappointment and Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #7

If the government has nothing to hide then what's the big deal. Arctic Dave Jun 2013 #8

Ha ha ha. Perfect! Bonobo Jun 2013 #9

They have not been hiding this, it has been known for some time. Knowing we have spies Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #11

So if it was not being hidden, what was the leak? Why the heavy hand? Bonobo Jun 2013 #16

Heavy handed, Snowden stole files from the NSA, did he hide the fact he was stealing those Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #28

Better question. Why is the government hiding the massive size of the surveillance? Bonobo Jun 2013 #35

Then what's the big deal. Arctic Dave Jun 2013 #29

Do you open your doors for everyone to come in and take what they want? Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #36

Snowden was allowed in. Arctic Dave Jun 2013 #45

He may have passed checks but do you think he was told to take what he wanted? Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #50

I think you are wanting to see things that aren't there. Arctic Dave Jun 2013 #55

What are they stealing from you, nothing. They are collecting data. He had security clearance, he Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #59

I did not give them any data nor did I ask them to store or monitor it. Arctic Dave Jun 2013 #61

When you use the services you are putting your information out. Don't want any Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #62

The fourth Amendment is being circumvented and the Constitution is being disregarded. Arctic Dave Jun 2013 #63

You must not read the Fourth Amendment as it is written. The Constitution is being followed and Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #64

So, in your mind we should just drone his silly ass nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #31

There's that freedom of the press we hear so much about n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #6

Good, they put people in danger for sake of a good story...not whistleblowing uponit7771 Jun 2013 #13

Ummm, who was put in danger? Seriously, who? nt Bonobo Jun 2013 #18

The agent in Yemen uponit7771 Jun 2013 #24

Ah, I thought you were speaking of Snowden's leak. Bonobo Jun 2013 #33

You should read up about the Yemen bomb plot leak Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #26

I have. Bonobo Jun 2013 #37

Just because an agents name isn't revealed...it doesnt mean their cover can't be blown Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #41

Agents getting accidentally revealed Bonobo Jun 2013 #53

Half right.... rarely a good story! whistler162 Jun 2013 #49

What was "half right" about it? nt Bonobo Jun 2013 #54

Unfortunately there has been an exceptional number of leaks the last 5 years Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #14

All this, and labelling protesters and environmental activists "terrorists" Triana Jun 2013 #15

Free Press? Please, the US corporate media is no such thing. Lasher Jun 2013 #19

Was it from this point? Or was this just a milestone? Bonobo Jun 2013 #22

New Palestine Hotel during the take ver of Baghdad nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #51

You are starting to see is a war nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #30

The Justice Department did not chill sources...The MSM reporting about the surveillance did it. nt kelliekat44 Jun 2013 #20

Yeah, if only the reporters would stop reporting news... Bonobo Jun 2013 #25

I gotta give you props for originality nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #27

BINGO!!! you make a great point, thanks. The ones arguing AGAINST the President... graham4anything Jun 2013 #44

As always, I am heartened to see you on the other side. Bonobo Jun 2013 #56

And if only they'd kept their mouths shut, none of this would have ever happened. DeSwiss Jun 2013 #58

So, then, it had the intended effect? nt silvershadow Jun 2013 #32

Some of the responses in this thread are positively frightening...... marmar Jun 2013 #40

Yup. I will tell you the difference nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #42

All going to plan: "most transparent ever" kenny blankenship Jun 2013 #47

Imagine the outrage if this happened during the BUSH regime? MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #52

I'm sure that the Eleventy-Dimensional Chessmaster...... DeSwiss Jun 2013 #57

Well yeah, that's kind of the point. JoeyT Jun 2013 #65