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scarletwoman

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26. "awful reality is that someone or more likely some entities are really running the government..."

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 11:43 PM

Jun 2013

Honestly, I think it has probably always been this way to some extent since shortly after the ink on the Constitution dried. At the very least, it became clear to me when JFK was assassinated.

Those with money know how to get their way, working quietly in the background. They have only grown more powerful over time, especially since WWII and the rise of the National Security State.

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GAP Statement on the Espionage Charge Filed Against Edward Snowden [View all] Catherina Jun 2013 OP

"The Espionage Act is a foul relic of a foul time, born of the repressive mind of Woodrow Wilson" scarletwoman Jun 2013 #1

Why the hell? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #2

How sad, we had so much hope in 2008. And you would think, after failing in so many of their sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #3

There is something that transcends who the president is. There is a power structure that is bigger rhett o rick Jun 2013 #4

I agree. That is becoming more and more clear every day, and that is something they probably hoped sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #6

Little did we know, back in 2008, that we were electing someone who would turn out to be scarletwoman Jun 2013 #5

Yes, but that is because we had not yet figured out the system that is in place. Maybe it was sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #8

Well, that excuse doesn't wash for me. *I* knew the "System" was in place. scarletwoman Jun 2013 #21

Well, yes, I meant some of us were not aware of how extensive the system was and how much sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #23

"awful reality is that someone or more likely some entities are really running the government..." scarletwoman Jun 2013 #26

Do we have factual proof that the NSA is collecting anything more than metadata without JaneyVee Jun 2013 #7

Well, we know they are spying on reporters now. But I'm sure there will be people along to explain sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #9

Yes, but did they not receive a warrant first to do so? JaneyVee Jun 2013 #10

Well, warrants are not something to hide generally, so if they did we should get to see it. And sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #12

A warrant on a reporter actually is very hard to get. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #16

I agree, and when you read the history of reporters or news organizations sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #18

Wasn't the AP leak about a North Korean nuclear program? JaneyVee Jun 2013 #20

Sorry, I was referring to the latest news on Michael Hastings. He had emailed friends hours sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #22

Yes it was. I'm getting very frustrated with the press playing the victim. James Rosen was the okaawhatever Jun 2013 #25

Try this: bemildred Jun 2013 #11

That's Britain, also article doesn't state whether they were or weren't getting warrants for beyond JaneyVee Jun 2013 #14

THAT is the whole world, including the USA, shared with NSA, which is sharing the UK with the UK. bemildred Jun 2013 #15

All that really confirms so far is that the UK is our ally in the "war on terror". JaneyVee Jun 2013 #17

You are not reading what it says. nt bemildred Jun 2013 #19

Best part: ProSense Jun 2013 #13

I'll take the word of real Whistle Blowers who know what they are talking about, like Ellsberg sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #24

Well, ProSense Jun 2013 #27

GAP also did not point out NSA personnel are excluded from the Whistleblower Act, how convenient. Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #28

So now GAP and the ACLU are wrong? hueymahl Jun 2013 #30

Whoever those people posting above are, they sure don't sound like they belong in this thread nolabels Jun 2013 #29

And the bansters skate, with golden parachutes, and not even a slap on the wrist. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #31