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Let's be Clear [View all] sheshe2 Jun 2013 OP

I think there is a difference between Snowden and the 'real' civil rights heroes Tx4obama Jun 2013 #1

I could not agree with you more Tx! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #13

What's your verdict on Daniel Ellsberg?- nt HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #46

Did he run off to China? Ever hear of the Pentagon Papers Trial? KittyWampus Jun 2013 #120

I take it from the tone and substance of your questions that you don't HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #128

You got that right madokie Jun 2013 #99

Snowden is a punk ass criminal?...wow backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #125

Hero schmero. sibelian Jun 2013 #147

Kick and rec. madamesilverspurs Jun 2013 #2

And what happened to Dr. King? MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #3

Martin Luther King is a Hero! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #15

why is it the only people comparing Snowden to MLK Union Scribe Jun 2013 #42

They're not the only ones. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #62

No kidding. Marr Jun 2013 #71

Actually, no. thucythucy Jun 2013 #107

Eddie wouldn't be in danger for his life treestar Jun 2013 #133

Snowden doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of living as a free man. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #4

You have no idea what "he envisioned himself". You just want to get a posse and lynch him rhett o rick Jun 2013 #32

The FBI uses profilers to determine a person's state of mind. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #35

K&R! nt sheshe2 Jun 2013 #40

"Tortured logic"?? One sides traitor is the other sides patriot. Seems pretty rhett o rick Jun 2013 #100

the fact that the FBI uses profilers does not make you a expert on anything Monkie Jun 2013 #105

The FBI is a slobbering pile of twits. "Profiles" are for people who read horoscopes. sibelian Jun 2013 #148

"...he dared to upset your comfortable denial bubble." Exactly! scarletwoman Jun 2013 #63

Not hardly. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #66

Your post just cracked me up....you truly don't see the hypocricy, do you. Sheepshank Jun 2013 #109

And those living in denial bubbles trying to discourage others from discussing rhett o rick Jun 2013 #111

Your martyr syndrome is even funnier Sheepshank Jun 2013 #113

My "martyr syndrome"?? Now this is about me? Apparently anything to defect from the discussion. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #130

IMHO sheshe2 Jun 2013 #118

What I actually said was that some here are feverishly trying to shut down the discussion rhett o rick Jun 2013 #132

"You just want to get a posse and lynch him" sheshe2 Jun 2013 #122

No, open minded people dont see things in black and white. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #129

No, I would like to see him go to trial treestar Jun 2013 #135

Of course you are a real advocate of laws and justice. But it's ok if Clapper, a Republican lies to rhett o rick Jun 2013 #140

You advocate something other than laws and justice? treestar Jun 2013 #141

I support laws and justice. But the 99% should be treated the same as the 1%. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #142

Should Cheney get due process if accused? treestar Jun 2013 #143

And when your disobedience stands up against agencies like CIA, FBI, etc. alp227 Jun 2013 #54

All my GAWDS sakes Iliyah Jun 2013 #60

It's the full moon. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #64

And he ought to be in jail to make his point treestar Jun 2013 #134

Lets be clear. The issue is the future of human rights in western democracies. delrem Jun 2013 #5

LOL frazzled Jun 2013 #7

You think this is a laughing matter? delrem Jun 2013 #9

Yeah, and I think you're about a dozen years late ... frazzled Jun 2013 #12

The program itself is an abuse of privacy. delrem Jun 2013 #14

Supreme Court and other courts have ruled meta-data isn't protected by the 4th amendment. n/t Tx4obama Jun 2013 #17

"meta-data" wasn't even a concept in those times. delrem Jun 2013 #19

Link Please! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #33

Here's one. But I doubt that you're interested. delrem Jun 2013 #69

Supreme court has also declared corporations people. progressoid Jun 2013 #108

You're against surveillance completely? treestar Jun 2013 #136

Do you deny that people have been "disappeared"? delrem Jun 2013 #16

Oh christ. Not that shit again. The 16 yr old was not the target of the drone. Tx4obama Jun 2013 #18

Ah, the "it was a coincidence" argument. delrem Jun 2013 #20

Well, we could send the US Army and the US Air Force, like Bush/Cheney did. Now there's a good idea. Hekate Jun 2013 #37

so why the fuck does he always do the opposite????? delrem Jun 2013 #39

Why does he do the opposite of what? Hekate Jun 2013 #51

ah, you joke. very funny. haha delrem Jun 2013 #52

No, you genuinely did not make sense Hekate Jun 2013 #65

Damned near his entire bloody campaign platform. TheMadMonk Jun 2013 #98

How about not invading countries Union Scribe Jun 2013 #43

Why not target known suicide attackers before they blow themselves up here? Hekate Jun 2013 #61

A "known suicide attacker" would already be dead. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #83

Suppose you are the leader of a nation, perhaps this one. What. Would. You. Do? Hekate Jun 2013 #85

So many things. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #92

I was half an hour into writing you a nice response when my browser quit Hekate Jun 2013 #97

So you support that idea there should be no attempt whatsoever to head off terrorists attacks here treestar Jun 2013 #137

It's the end of the world as we know it!... SidDithers Jun 2013 #103

Can dish it out but can't take it frazzled Jun 2013 #6

"a melodrama about how your life is in danger" Union Scribe Jun 2013 #11

I feel the same as you! LeftInTX Jun 2013 #79

And why do you think he did it? dawg Jun 2013 #8

I don't know what he thought Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #41

If Naomi is right, then then things are even worse than any of us think. dawg Jun 2013 #104

Yeah, I'm not exactly following her police state theory Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #121

Why must we be told to assume that Snowden had a noble cause? Sheepshank Jun 2013 #110

The point is that the guy obviously really believed in something ... dawg Jun 2013 #112

That is not a point...it is an assumption based on the paradign you have created for yourself. Sheepshank Jun 2013 #114

Yes, we do. It is a prima facie case. dawg Jun 2013 #115

No...you are wrong. Prima Facie points to a national traitor. But that is under discussion, no? Sheepshank Jun 2013 #117

We're talking about two different things. dawg Jun 2013 #119

"The only point I'm trying to get you to understand is that Snowden, in his own mind,*had* a cause." Sheepshank Jun 2013 #123

So you admit he had a cause. One that he was willing to risk everything for? dawg Jun 2013 #124

sure...I already gave you a list of possible causes? I don't understand what you are trying to imply Sheepshank Jun 2013 #127

Snowden took information and gave it to the media, not "a foreign government." Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #139

Good point treestar Jun 2013 #138

Trying hard still to personalize nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #10

Actually sheshe2 Jun 2013 #21

We're certainly not in Kansas anymore. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #34

And a few Americans who are free Iliyah Jun 2013 #38

Let me get this straight. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #45

Yes, I do. Iliyah Jun 2013 #56

Facts is that this stopped being about Snowden a while ago nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #102

I can not ask any person to lay down their life BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #22

Well said. NT hueymahl Jun 2013 #23

No, they don't. The majority of Americans have lost, if they ever had, any sense Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #29

1 in 5 American children experience at least one instance HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #57

I have not asked anyone to lay down their life sheshe2 Jun 2013 #30

+1 on that sheshe2 Lady Freedom Returns Jun 2013 #36

Thank you sheshe2 Jun 2013 #53

+2 sheshe Hekate Jun 2013 #68

Ok, if you like facts, here's some for you BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #145

Snowden knew when he STOLE government records/property that he was committing felonies Tx4obama Jun 2013 #74

+1 Lady Freedom Returns Jun 2013 #80

Ironic you mentioned MLK... Taft_Bathtub Jun 2013 #24

+1 liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #28

+ Infinity! - nt HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #59

And did he? Iliyah Jun 2013 #67

MLK clearly isn't Snowden Taft_Bathtub Jun 2013 #86

"Tortured"? Now you're just making a strong case for.. you don't Cha Jun 2013 #90

The US tortures American Citizens Taft_Bathtub Jun 2013 #93

Could you please give me that link! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #70

Here you go, it's pretty mean what they wrote to him Taft_Bathtub Jun 2013 #81

Could you please give me that link! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #76

The 'same government' ??? NO. The majority of those folks are either retired or DEAD Tx4obama Jun 2013 #77

The US still does this sort of stuff Taft_Bathtub Jun 2013 #82

Would that include slaves and draft resistors who fled to Canada? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #25

I do believe sheshe2 Jun 2013 #84

OTOH, he also didn't cash in on it as he certainly could have. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #26

this is not about Snowden or even Obama. This is about the NSA and the law that allows them liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #27

Yet the loudest posters here make it ALL about Snowden and about Obama. Hekate Jun 2013 #48

Agree LeftInTX Jun 2013 #87

I don't understand how you fantasy unfolds in reality. TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #144

Snowden seems to be making it about himself LeftInTX Jun 2013 #89

Thanks! Iliyah Jun 2013 #31

We get it already. Messenger shot, message ignored. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #44

A bit over the top, even for a pain in the butt Hekate Jun 2013 #73

Maybe. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #91

Let's be clear. People who spy on us and try to keep that from us are criminals. mhatrw Jun 2013 #47

DU rec! ucrdem Jun 2013 #49

Oh he knew there were consequences, and he knew they were inevitable Taverner Jun 2013 #50

The Dalai Lama avoided the consequences of his "law breaking" and fled. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #55

Apples. Cornish pasty. Hekate Jun 2013 #72

This is based on a talking point.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #58

+10 avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #88

Very good analysis, from smartypants, she.. Cha Jun 2013 #75

"comfortable as possible without paying any price. Isn't that what libertarians do?" great white snark Jun 2013 #106

Hey great white snark! Cha Jun 2013 #146

I did not vote for Edward Snowden or his agenda!!!!!!!!! LeftInTX Jun 2013 #78

Breaking: Edward Snowden 'leaves Hong Kong on Moscow flight' Tx4obama Jun 2013 #94

Makes since if he could not get a deal with the Chines for whatever he's stolen. n/t Lady Freedom Returns Jun 2013 #95

Has he claimed what he did was an act of civil disobedience? cali Jun 2013 #96

My guess from the way some of the posters and the OP pontificates is they would have us believe.... nolabels Jun 2013 #101

Look what they did to Manning. JoeyT Jun 2013 #116

No. wtmusic Jun 2013 #126

Not to mention that there's nothing inherently wrong with having a security apparatus treestar Jun 2013 #131

Thanks, I use character assassination threads such as these... Corruption Inc Jun 2013 #149