General Discussion

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)

174. Yes they could have done everything though reconciliation

Mon Feb 13, 2012, 07:00 PM

Feb 2012

and we could all have unicorns and lollipops.

Either you're terribly misinformed about how the reconciliation process work or you're purposely distorting to win debate points.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

189 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

As most of us thought, Obama is a center, center right president [View all] MadHound Feb 2012 OP

According to the opinion of one guy. TheWraith Feb 2012 #1

Actually this is a respected study, MadHound Feb 2012 #7

Which fails to take into account the massive media manipulation. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #162

This ProSense Feb 2012 #2

LOL! MadHound Feb 2012 #8

It's ProSense Feb 2012 #19

Except it isn't a poll, it is a well respected study that Poole puts out MadHound Feb 2012 #24

My bad, it's ProSense Feb 2012 #30

History judges a President's record by results, not by the methods used. Arkana Feb 2012 #52

You hardly speak for "most of us". phleshdef Feb 2012 #3

Polls don't show where a person is governing from, MadHound Feb 2012 #9

Polls do indicate where the governed feel like that person is governing from. phleshdef Feb 2012 #166

Moderate means anything from left of center to right of center. If you're a Democrat, it's left Honeycombe8 Feb 2012 #178

Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #4

What a sad statement you make MadHound Feb 2012 #11

If someone points out that the President is MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #22

Opinions aren't facts. Swede Feb 2012 #5

I think you're misreading or misrepresenting the gist of the article. pinto Feb 2012 #6

Did you read this? MadHound Feb 2012 #12

I agree with that assessment for the most part. He is the most moderate Democratic president pinto Feb 2012 #42

Agreed, the OP must have misread the article. This part is NashvilleLefty Feb 2012 #32

Yep. pinto Feb 2012 #36

Except that that narrative is totally false. 60 votes were not needed in 2009 or 2010. eomer Feb 2012 #58

Who writes legislation, holds a vote and, if passed, sends it to the executive's desk? pinto Feb 2012 #61

My objection was to the claim that it took 60 votes. eomer Feb 2012 #104

That's not true. One of the 99 Feb 2012 #70

Why couldn't it have been used for a Public Option, or Medicare for All MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #79

Because there is a strict criteria for what One of the 99 Feb 2012 #87

And what are those rules? Both SCHIP and Medicare Advantage were created by a reconciliation bill. eomer Feb 2012 #92

If you research a little deeper One of the 99 Feb 2012 #93

Even the source you cite says he isn't sure it would be disallowed. eomer Feb 2012 #100

As he said One of the 99 Feb 2012 #105

Remember what happened when Obama and Congressional Democrats MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #113

They didn't need to ask because One of the 99 Feb 2012 #117

Please provide your evidence of this MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #119

When that was proposed One of the 99 Feb 2012 #128

That left 59 other Democratic caucus members MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #131

You clearly don't know One of the 99 Feb 2012 #154

Heritage/Romney/Obama actually, the Repugs have been scheming to pass this Dragonfli Feb 2012 #118

What does any of that have to do with what I said? eomer Feb 2012 #90

No it couldn't One of the 99 Feb 2012 #95

At most that is just one guy's opinion. Edit: and what about tax rates? eomer Feb 2012 #101

As was well documented i n2010 One of the 99 Feb 2012 #106

That is just not true. eomer Feb 2012 #144

It is true. One of the 99 Feb 2012 #155

No, an omnibus bill is just a variation of reconciliation that is broader in span, but there was eomer Feb 2012 #165

Well now you're discussing tactics One of the 99 Feb 2012 #172

No, I'm discussing working through the well-known steps that are required to enact legislation. eomer Feb 2012 #173

Yes they could have done everything though reconciliation One of the 99 Feb 2012 #174

Maybe you should just read more carefully. eomer Feb 2012 #175

What does the guy down at the gas station think about it? Ikonoklast Feb 2012 #10

Another one who can't use facts to refute arguments, MadHound Feb 2012 #13

You post another's opinion as 'fact', then call the response to such nonsense a personal attack. Ikonoklast Feb 2012 #48

Is the portion for the 1% going up or down? immoderate Feb 2012 #14

Oh, not most of us. Not at all. MineralMan Feb 2012 #15

Because Obama does not have a credible Democratic opponent, MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #20

Well, there's a leap in logic. MineralMan Feb 2012 #29

So are you implying that I'm about to be tombstoned? MadHound Feb 2012 #21

Not at all. I have nothing to do with any such actions. MineralMan Feb 2012 #25

Read like that to me. I certainly hope that longtime Democrats are not shown the door sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #94

Obama is *miles* to the right of Eisenhower MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #16

Actually ProSense Feb 2012 #23

The facts seem to demonstrate that he's miles to the right of Eisenhower MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #27

Eisenhower's words on preventive war are certainly to the left of the Presidents sad sally Feb 2012 #64

I wouldn't say miles to the right, MadHound Feb 2012 #28

More ProSense Feb 2012 #39

Nixon proposed and started the EPA MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #47

Nixon ProSense Feb 2012 #55

Two-thirds of Americans are in favor of Medicare for all MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #65

And ProSense Feb 2012 #66

Did Obama incinerate the Public Option and Medicare for All MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #76

Are ProSense Feb 2012 #81

I was responding to your assertion MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #83

The "silent majority" had better become "un-silent" if they really want Medicare-for-all Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2012 #107

We voted for Change in 2008 MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #109

Support electing a more progressive Congress in 2012. That's the key, imo. pinto Feb 2012 #114

How much change and how fast did you expect everything to change? Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2012 #158

Nixon wasn't the last liberal president, MadHound Feb 2012 #91

He's just another centrist politician. A mediocre one. Bezukhov Feb 2012 #17

If you send the administrators a PM, they can probably get you back into your old account. cbayer Feb 2012 #35

I have. No reply yet. Bezukhov Feb 2012 #46

I hear that Roseanne Barr may be running MineralMan Feb 2012 #18

Why would you even make such a suggestion to someone known on DU as a longtime sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #96

"Obama is so moderate in part because the Republicans are so extreme." DCBob Feb 2012 #26

+100 MineralMan Feb 2012 #31

Klein: ProSense Feb 2012 #33

yeah, I saw that. Clinton to the left of Obama and LBJ is absurd. DCBob Feb 2012 #37

Doesn't explain his ardent support for three Bush "free" trade agreements MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #34

Most Democrats supported the free trade agreements. DCBob Feb 2012 #38

Two years of no cost of living raises were cuts to those in this society who needed the money sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #97

You heard it here first: Obama to Cut Social Security!!!!111! MineralMan Feb 2012 #40

Rep. Conyers: Obama Demanded Social Security Cuts--Not GOP MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #44

And yet...my benefits are up. MineralMan Feb 2012 #49

If Obama fails at something than it doesn't count? MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #50

SS and Medicare were used as hostages woo me with science Feb 2012 #88

Thanks to the progressives in Congress like Conyers who made those intentions public. sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #99

Then ProSense Feb 2012 #51

I'm not defending the report's methodology MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #53

Wait ProSense Feb 2012 #57

Holy sophmoric debating tricks, Batman! MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #62

Holy ProSense Feb 2012 #63

He said he was not defending the reports methodology. Vattel Feb 2012 #151

and Logical Feb 2012 #71

And ProSense Feb 2012 #74

or Logical Feb 2012 #75

Or ProSense Feb 2012 #78

I Logical Feb 2012 #85

right of eisenhower? I don't think so tnvoter Feb 2012 #41

you have no factual basis for those assertion about Eisenhower. provis99 Feb 2012 #110

Uh and those came into play long before Obama became President. vaberella Feb 2012 #150

Obama extended the Bush tax rates. provis99 Feb 2012 #189

Funny... I Was Thinking The Other Day That... WillyT Feb 2012 #43

WORD! bvar22 Feb 2012 #167

I've seen you promote this meme across multiple threads... RevStPatrick Feb 2012 #45

+1 DCBob Feb 2012 #56

I found a lot of people bought the Obama as a populist myth. joshcryer Feb 2012 #60

The problem is that our only two options are center/center right and hard right MadHound Feb 2012 #122

"Why is this such a problem for some people here?" bvar22 Feb 2012 #168

i'll be happy when the republican party regains enough sanity that 'moderate', 'centrist' xchrom Feb 2012 #54

As will I, too many Republicans in (D)rag pretending to speak as Democrats /nt Dragonfli Feb 2012 #121

I'm noticing something different. He's forcing the Republicans to the right... joshcryer Feb 2012 #59

Thank you thank you thank you! DevonRex Feb 2012 #68

That chart ProSense Feb 2012 #72

It scales based on the other side. joshcryer Feb 2012 #84

I think that you're misinterpreting that MadHound Feb 2012 #123

False, go to the link. joshcryer Feb 2012 #129

Study your political history, MadHound Feb 2012 #133

You're neglecting the leftward shift as the data shows. joshcryer Feb 2012 #137

You're neglecting historical reality MadHound Feb 2012 #140

Demographics are only one way. joshcryer Feb 2012 #142

Reagan Democrats dying off, hardly MadHound Feb 2012 #145

Two-thirds of Americans want Medicare for All, MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #152

It's hard to take this survey seriously when they consider Clinton more left than HST and LBJ... Drunken Irishman Feb 2012 #67

Oh wow. Great point! DevonRex Feb 2012 #69

The effort to attack Obama from the right and the left continues to become ... JoePhilly Feb 2012 #73

Thanks to Occupy, Candidate Obama has paused his demands to cut Social Security MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #77

If one predicts that Obama is about to kill Social Security over and over and over ... JoePhilly Feb 2012 #86

Obama is legally unable to cut Social Security by himself MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #102

So you mean Congress is keeping him for doing something that you JoePhilly Feb 2012 #103

Do you believe that Obama did not call for cuts in Social Security MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #115

Clearly to kill it. JoePhilly Feb 2012 #116

So you're refusing to answer my question. MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #120

I did answer your question. JoePhilly Feb 2012 #124

So you're refusing to answer both questions MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #125

Oh no ... I answered both questions ... JoePhilly Feb 2012 #126

You didn't answer either of Manny's questions.. girl gone mad Feb 2012 #143

Nailed It. bvar22 Feb 2012 #169

Just because some people won't accept an answer dosn't mean the question wasn't answered nt Bodhi BloodWave Feb 2012 #179

Rachel Maddow says the Eisenhower is to The Left of President Obama. bvar22 Feb 2012 #80

That's ProSense Feb 2012 #89

Thats not "really" what Rachel said. bvar22 Feb 2012 #171

I'm a political scientist myself, and Kenneth Poole hasn't been relevant for at least 20 years Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2012 #82

I suspect this "analysis" sure wont change that. DCBob Feb 2012 #98

No worries. Dr. Poole is from the "old school" way of doing things. Not that he wasn't Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2012 #111

when you say in the discipline Enrique Feb 2012 #186

I mean in the political science discipline. And you're right. 1992 was a huge year for Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2012 #187

Most of you are still wrong... SidDithers Feb 2012 #108

Liberal and conservative mean almost nothing nowadays messiah Feb 2012 #153

I don't consider indefinite detention and 30.000 drones in American sky woo me with science Feb 2012 #112

They've been centrist since around 2009. rudycantfail Feb 2012 #181

Clinton was more "right" than Obama. But they were faced w different situations.... Honeycombe8 Feb 2012 #127

The corporate insurance mandate was the greatest gift to the one percent woo me with science Feb 2012 #130

You need to take their records in their entirety MadHound Feb 2012 #132

What ProSense Feb 2012 #134

As I said, only slightly to the left of Obama MadHound Feb 2012 #135

And ProSense Feb 2012 #136

Well, this conversation could go on all night, MadHound Feb 2012 #138

No ProSense Feb 2012 #141

Really? MadHound Feb 2012 #146

Yes ProSense Feb 2012 #159

Romney's not largely responsible for RomneyCare? Really? MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #148

Get ProSense Feb 2012 #160

Don't be silly MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #163

Context is important Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2012 #147

Obama didn't continue the tax breaks. Congress did. Re Iraq War, as I said, he campaigned on it. Honeycombe8 Feb 2012 #177

I don't find labels to be all that useful bhikkhu Feb 2012 #139

Eisenhower wasn't a bad President. Oh contraire. vaberella Feb 2012 #149

I think this is a worthless study. Obama certainly is not more to the right of Bill Clinton WI_DEM Feb 2012 #156

It's ProSense Feb 2012 #161

Ezra Klein agrees. AtomicKitten Feb 2012 #170

Can you not see why? sofa king Feb 2012 #157

It's a combination of many corrupted aspects of the system. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #164

Nobody "forced" President Obama to do this: bvar22 Feb 2012 #176

Martin Luther King Jr. was assasinated. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #180

Excellent post MannyGoldstein Feb 2012 #182

I did not say he was not strong. sofa king Feb 2012 #183

No ProSense Feb 2012 #184

So we agree that Obama is a strong President who gets what he wants. bvar22 Feb 2012 #188

It's Really Sad seeing our most Conservative DU posters disagree with this fascisthunter Feb 2012 #185