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206. I am a John V. Lindsay LBJ liberal. JVL actually got more votes in the few primaries he ran in, than

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 08:55 AM

Jun 2013

McGovern, but we saw how many combined electoral votes McGovern and Kucinich got.

George Wallace is who I meant in case you thought I meant Henry(the 3rd VP for FDR before Truman)

Women will change the world in the decade of the woman. Anne Richards who was a DEMOCRATIC gov. showed Texans will
and can vote for Democratic candidate, and between her and Hutchinson, they will elect a woman.
And it will be Hillary.

It will be the 2016 battle for the very soul of the country Hillary vs. Jeb/Rand
If you don't think Rand would accept, and if you don't think Jeb would offer, IMHO you are mistaken.

And if Jeb don't agree with anything Rand does, should hell happen and they win, Jeb will not listen to anything he says
and do what 41 did to Quayle, make him irrelevant. AND that would probably put a person Jeb could more easily work with in
the senate.

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The leak was an attempt to bolster the libertarian brand. [View all] ProSense Jun 2013 OP

Makes sense to me. bluedigger Jun 2013 #1

There is absolutely ZERO evidence that Rand Paul is involved in the NSA or any other leaks. Maedhros Jun 2013 #125

I don't have to prove shit to have an opinion. bluedigger Jun 2013 #132

I second your emotion. Yavin4 Jun 2013 #174

I third it. n/t savalez Jun 2013 #180

There's evidence that Snowden is a Libertarian. pnwmom Jun 2013 #227

Exactly ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #229

A new low for you, truly. scarletwoman Jun 2013 #2

WTF? ProSense Jun 2013 #3

Indeed. (nt) scarletwoman Jun 2013 #4

I'm not sorry if I offend any Rand Paul fans. ProSense Jun 2013 #6

Because we all know anyone who disagrees with Obama must certainly be a Rand Paul fan davidn3600 Jun 2013 #8

Yeah, ProSense Jun 2013 #14

The government needs no help from Rand in making an enemy out of themselves davidn3600 Jun 2013 #19

Maybe, but ProSense Jun 2013 #27

No, but an honest person would have to criticize a government so JDPriestly Jun 2013 #117

Well, ProSense Jun 2013 #120

This string hurts my head ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #232

there is nothing to criticize the government for. These are Paulites 100%. graham4anything Jun 2013 #178

The surveillance program has been shown to be useless at this point JDPriestly Jun 2013 #191

that meme is a faux straw man. Boston was two thrill killer 15 minute fame seekers AND NOT graham4anything Jun 2013 #196

This program chills speech and makes freedom of the press impossible. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #197

It is REASONABLE and 100% legal. And LOL we are conversing freely right all over the world graham4anything Jun 2013 #199

One can yell fire in a theatre that is NOT on fire. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #200

after they took down Dan Rather, there is no press. graham4anything Jun 2013 #201

JFC, there are degrees to being a supporter of anybody. MattSh Jun 2013 #154

but that is NOT what you said in your op title cali Jun 2013 #169

Holy miss the point, Batman. Bonobo Jun 2013 #12

"pawn in a sucker's game." zeemike Jun 2013 #122

I don't know any Rand Paul fans here. Perhaps they exist & I just haven't come across them. scarletwoman Jun 2013 #16

"I do know that I'm not a Rand Paul fan" ProSense Jun 2013 #21

Your OP offends me because it is a dishonest argument. scarletwoman Jun 2013 #48

WTF? ProSense Jun 2013 #51

"Agreeing" with Snowden is not the point, however much you might like it to be. scarletwoman Jun 2013 #78

Oh please, ProSense Jun 2013 #82

If your OP is about Rand Paul, why is "The leak" in your subject line? scarletwoman Jun 2013 #87

Because I put it there? ProSense Jun 2013 #89

"Because I put it there?" Well, yeah, obviously. Thing is, I sort of assumed you put it there scarletwoman Jun 2013 #94

Yes, to make a point about Rand Paul ProSense Jun 2013 #98

"Let me put it this way: The OP is about Rand Paul." scarletwoman Jun 2013 #104

Oh my, ProSense Jun 2013 #109

You're going to get another third grade tactic in response. As if we didnt know that when you said stevenleser Jun 2013 #113

The thing is, I simply don't give a rip if Rand Paul is "exploiting" the leak. It's just so totally scarletwoman Jun 2013 #121

You could have done one of two things ProSense Jun 2013 #123

Oh the games people play zeemike Jun 2013 #133

Conspiracy theory? Snowden donated $500 to Ron Paul's Presidential campaign in 2012 and what stevenleser Jun 2013 #135

Well it is not a conspiracy fact is it? zeemike Jun 2013 #137

Agreed. The racist smear blew up in her face... HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #34

Actually, ProSense Jun 2013 #37

And Dick Cheney agrees with ProSurveillence 100%. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #41

HootieDragon, you're on the side of Storm Front and the Koch Brothers. ProSense Jun 2013 #46

Koch brothers are oppoing NSA surveillence? Since when? HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #52

Americans for Limited Government and FreedomWorks ProSense Jun 2013 #59

I'll still take ACLU.s side vs. you, Cheney , and Carlyle Group. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #62

The ACLU ProSense Jun 2013 #66

Appeals to authority, bandwagon and guilt by association are all logical fallacies. This issue is a stevenleser Jun 2013 #95

No, you need to know a hellava lot more than that. First thing you Cha Jun 2013 #176

That's not what I see her as saying. She's pointing out the truth -- that Rand Paul pnwmom Jun 2013 #102

You have your teams mixed up. It's not Libertarians vs. Dems, it's Surveillance State vs. scarletwoman Jun 2013 #111

And ProSense Jun 2013 #115

How did I "hijack" this thread? I wrote a response, you responded to my response, I responded scarletwoman Jun 2013 #126

Yeah, ProSense Jun 2013 #128

Written in a moment of unguarded aghastification (is that a word?). scarletwoman Jun 2013 #131

Well, it's a word now, and I'm going to start using it. sibelian Jun 2013 #167

A neologism for the Solstice! scarletwoman Jun 2013 #172

Yeah, that pisses me off, too. sibelian Jun 2013 #168

I think ScarletWoman can post what she wants, where she wants tkmorris Jun 2013 #149

The Libertarians including Rand Paul are not on the side of "we the people." pnwmom Jun 2013 #145

So what? Why aren't Dem politicians "luring" people in with a strong stance on Civil Liberties? scarletwoman Jun 2013 #148

But you think Rand Paul is legit. pnwmom Jun 2013 #152

I don't think about Rand Paul at all. I think the Repugs aka Libertarians are idiots. scarletwoman Jun 2013 #158

Then the OP has nothing to do with you. pnwmom Jun 2013 #160

It's frustrating Matariki Jun 2013 #189

Thank you for your kind words. scarletwoman Jun 2013 #192

Indeed :raises eyebrow: Matariki Jun 2013 #194

LOL! scarletwoman Jun 2013 #195

Gawd, this is worse than silly! Who gives a shit about the Libertarians? Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #151

Too many people are still living in a 1950's fantasy land pnwmom Jun 2013 #153

Well, at least you will concede there is an issue here. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #156

Even the Devil can quote Scipture - nt HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #186

You act as if Prosense wrote the article. Lowry wrote it, Prosense is letting us know about it. stevenleser Jun 2013 #92

Prosense wrote her own subject line all by herself. scarletwoman Jun 2013 #96

Given that Snowden donated $500 to Ron Paul's 2012 Presidential run plus Lowry's article it's not a stevenleser Jun 2013 #101

Lowry's article just mentions the NSA as one more thing Paul is using muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #162

Why the personal attack against a Democrat who is against Rand Paul? pnwmom Jun 2013 #99

It might have something to do with... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #234

+Democracy Octafish Jun 2013 #173

All I can say Aerows Jun 2013 #257

Makes them look like they are standing up for freedom, doesn't it? dawg Jun 2013 #5

You think ProSense Jun 2013 #10

I'm even handed right now. dawg Jun 2013 #13

OK, ProSense Jun 2013 #17

This is how you do your thing whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #170

"Nasty". Yes, what you said. +1000 n/t ljm2002 Jun 2013 #235

Lies, all lies! Heretic! You won't get away with this! freshwest Jun 2013 #188

He's the broken clock that's right twice a day customerserviceguy Jun 2013 #23

fuck them JI7 Jun 2013 #7

LOL. Really? Bonobo Jun 2013 #9

It's actually gotten sad. 99Forever Jun 2013 #22

Yeah, look at all the personal attacks over an OP calling out Rand Paul. ProSense Jun 2013 #42

It's not about Rand Paul bobduca Jun 2013 #50

Yes, it is, and ProSense Jun 2013 #74

No? Then it's about the availability of assault weapons in secret markets that supply patrice Jun 2013 #223

If that is what makes you feel better lady... 99Forever Jun 2013 #90

You know ProSense Jun 2013 #91

If you say so. 99Forever Jun 2013 #163

k, as long as we agree that propaganda is propaganda, no matter what label it's wearing. nt patrice Jun 2013 #224

The title of your OP makes a claim... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #236

+1 L0oniX Jun 2013 #243

'Anyone underestimating him in 2016 does so at their peril.' freshwest Jun 2013 #11

It could happen customerserviceguy Jun 2013 #26

I read DU. It's the trend here. Charles Koch is laughing his ass off. freshwest Jun 2013 #72

freshwest all the reasons is reason for Rand Paul not be in office anywhere. Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #64

You're smart, freshwest. napoleon_in_rags Jun 2013 #157

I think some of the oldest money is NOT blind & all of this is about preparing their "life" raft, patrice Jun 2013 #226

Maybe we all should be preparing our life rafts. napoleon_in_rags Jun 2013 #249

I think that's always been the case. It explains their positions on the environment in all ways. freshwest Jun 2013 #255

WTF? Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #15

Jim Crow? ProSense Jun 2013 #18

Snowden was wrong to get those Jim Crow laws passed all those years before he was born. dawg Jun 2013 #31

The OP is about Rand Paul and his ambitions. ProSense Jun 2013 #32

lol... this is becoming comedic. Marr Jun 2013 #20

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #25

Oh my god, exquisitely organized, annotated free association. Marr Jun 2013 #28

Hey, stupid name calling makes those doing it look stupid. ProSense Jun 2013 #30

I am entirely comfortable with the idea of comparing who looks more stupid than whom. Bonobo Jun 2013 #33

The OP really upset you, huh? ProSense Jun 2013 #35

Now THAT is fucking funny. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #36

. ProSense Jun 2013 #38

I don't mind eating alone... cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #39

Word Salad with Blue Link dressing Aerows Jun 2013 #165

lmao allin99 Jun 2013 #44

Rich Lowry? Really? Was Jonah Goldberg not available? neverforget Jun 2013 #24

You dispute that Lowry is a good source for how the right wing thinks on an issue? nt stevenleser Jun 2013 #97

Sorry, I should have put John Yoo neverforget Jun 2013 #100

Which would be relevant to Snowden's motive how? nt stevenleser Jun 2013 #105

The OP is quoting NRO so I thought I would give you Bush Torture Memo Author and neverforget Jun 2013 #106

The OP is quoting NRO on their interpretation of a possible right wing motive of Snowden. stevenleser Jun 2013 #108

The OP quotes right wingers and I link to a right winger who agrees and I'm threadjacking? neverforget Jun 2013 #110

As I said above in the thread with someone else, third grade tactics like these are not convincing stevenleser Jun 2013 #114

I'll tell you what. Agree that this issue falls across party lines and makes for strange bed fellows neverforget Jun 2013 #118

Yep usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #29

for the first time ever I actually looked up the Green Party website. I love their platform liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #40

? n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #43

This Post is a Failed Attempt to Repair the bobduca Jun 2013 #45

That makes no sense. ProSense Jun 2013 #47

+1 L0oniX Jun 2013 #241

When you hit 100,000 posts do they give you a bonus? RetroLounge Jun 2013 #49

Take care of that. ProSense Jun 2013 #53

Thinking RetroLounge Jun 2013 #57

hitting 100k by midnight eastern at this rate bobduca Jun 2013 #56

Only about 199 to go. ProSense Jun 2013 #61

Entertained bobduca Jun 2013 #68

I haven't gotten that stupid "bonus" you're puking Cha Jun 2013 #175

Maybe you have a different employer RetroLounge Jun 2013 #179

More than likely you're blowing hot gas outta your Cha Jun 2013 #182

"As if our country isn't worth the time." RetroLounge Jun 2013 #183

"Cha-ching" Yuk it up.. that's what you're doing best that and Cha Jun 2013 #184

Keep replying. RetroLounge Jun 2013 #210

Oh do please Proceed. Cha Jun 2013 #231

Yes, it's a libertarian thing treestar Jun 2013 #54

A repuke by any other name. . . ucrdem Jun 2013 #55

The spying is an attempt to further the fascist brand. wilsonbooks Jun 2013 #58

Well, ProSense Jun 2013 #60

Fuck Rand Paul Whisp Jun 2013 #63

You'll get more recs if you say this: ucrdem Jun 2013 #69

Which is why I see a Rand victory in 2016. Darling of the left and right. freshwest Jun 2013 #75

I'm not laying in the barf bags just yet. ucrdem Jun 2013 #76

Maybe a Rand-Ron ticket. Two civil libertarian zealots for the price of one. freshwest Jun 2013 #84

Then we could watch Rand push President Ronny off the cliff ucrdem Jun 2013 #93

Now that's an idea. Another: A PR+RP ticket. Two Pauls in reverse. freshwest Jun 2013 #112

Ryan-Rand, the Dumb and Dumber ticket, groan ucrdem Jun 2013 #129

Just keep asking them how many people should die for what THEY call "Liberty", but which could patrice Jun 2013 #222

Those on the left libertarian train of thought, think they are oppressed by government. freshwest Jun 2013 #237

I care, and always have as far back as I can remember, very passionately about freedom. & In order patrice Jun 2013 #240

And just which "left" is he a darling of? burnodo Jun 2013 #142

There is no Left, because there is no Left agenda and the reason there is no Left agenda is patrice Jun 2013 #225

REALLY, Prosense? REALLY? Th1onein Jun 2013 #65

Who are you? ProSense Jun 2013 #67

Okay Th1onein, REALLY, why is it that all of the things I/you/we don't know about this don't matter? patrice Jun 2013 #218

Lame. progressoid Jun 2013 #70

Maybe, but ProSense Jun 2013 #71

"The leak was an attempt to bolster the libertarian brand" ljm2002 Jun 2013 #239

And it's taken them this long to capitalize on the situation. winter is coming Jun 2013 #73

Remeber what happened to Mittler when he laughed too soon? ucrdem Jun 2013 #80

Mittler! You're making me LOL again. Needed the laugh. freshwest Jun 2013 #187

Your objection is that the Republicans are too intelligent and swift to be caught flatfooted by what stevenleser Jun 2013 #107

Libertarian brand with a "cause". The brand would not bring in the type of support needed to win. Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #77

It only bolsters the libertarian brand of you support the leak. DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #79

the motivation is irrelevant....... bowens43 Jun 2013 #81

Predator drones, hellfire missiles, NSA spying, and Progressive dog Jun 2013 #83

Too bad some Democrats are helping him Union Scribe Jun 2013 #85

Do you think that Snowden may have been working for Rand Paul? nt Jarla Jun 2013 #86

No, ProSense Jun 2013 #88

Rachel Maddow had an interview with Rand Paul about the exclusion of coloreds from businesses Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #103

pure quackery. delrem Jun 2013 #116

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #119

Delusional whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #124

Yes, Rand Paul is delusional. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #127

You destroy the little cred you have with this crazy shit whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #130

Wait ProSense Jun 2013 #134

Why spam the board with posts discrediting the leak and the leaker? whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #136

The OP ProSense Jun 2013 #138

Who actually gives a fuck about Rand Paul whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #139

Why are you in a thread about Rand Paul? n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #140

Because the title was desperately lame beyond belief whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #141

So ProSense Jun 2013 #143

You can claim it's about Rand Paul whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #144

Hey ProSense Jun 2013 #146

I'm still wondering why he wasn't laughed off the stage at Simmons College. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #147

Somebody should ask his girlfriend moondust Jun 2013 #150

The less a libertarian contributes railsback Jun 2013 #159

I have very personally known Libertarians who say precisely that. & Another thing they say is: patrice Jun 2013 #233

I think this actually made those of us that bothered to read it dumber. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #155

Because only libertarians object to being spied on eridani Jun 2013 #161

K & R Scurrilous Jun 2013 #164

Then why is Obama all of the sudden willing to discuss 'surveillance transparency'??? Logical Jun 2013 #166

All aboooOOOOARD - Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2013 #171

Snowden is a Pauliac all the way. So much so that he would throw his life away for his belief. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #177

We really should stop this fighting, otherwise we'll miss the fireworks! nt galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #181

Quite A Stretch bobduca Jun 2013 #185

Yep! & All of those whom he opposes MUST be smeared. Now ... WHY is that? Hmmm????nt patrice Jun 2013 #221

a libertarian/Rand Paul insurgency within the GOP will rip the Republican Party completely apart Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #190

actually Rand Paul is part of Jeb Bush's team and a faithful BushPaulfamilyinc member. graham4anything Jun 2013 #202

well that we just don't know. How much of a careerist versus how much of an ideologue is Rand Paul? Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #203

His ideology was spelled out in his literature, and he is that. A JBS George Wallace/David Duke graham4anything Jun 2013 #204

if he supports the traditional libertarian isolationism -he will be anathema to the Republican Party Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #205

I am a John V. Lindsay LBJ liberal. JVL actually got more votes in the few primaries he ran in, than graham4anything Jun 2013 #206

John' linday's strongest showing was 5th place in the Florida primary - he never scored above the Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #208

I didn't say anything of that sort. I said in the FEW primaries he was in, he got more total votes graham4anything Jun 2013 #209

I liked Lindsay too. But there was no way he could have done well against Nixon in 1972. Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #211

again, I think Jeb would use him as VP. I didn't say Rand would win the nomination, I think Jeb will graham4anything Jun 2013 #212

+1 freshwest Jun 2013 #245

Photo proof here. Anyone who wants to check his associations and statements with these guys, enjoy: freshwest Jun 2013 #258

Then Snowden must be executed. avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #193

No! but don't you think we should know everything there is to know about WHO he was trying to warn? patrice Jun 2013 #228

You are so transparently a party shill. It boggles the mind. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #198

And you're a obviously a clown. ProSense Jun 2013 #216

Some people's minds are easily boggled. Now I understand your sense of humor. And I'll work on mine. freshwest Jun 2013 #246

So do you get paid by the post? Or by each positive reference to a public official? Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #250

I see you joined DU in March 2013. ProSense Jun 2013 #251

I can't think of a single other person on this board who is a bigger party shill than you. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #253

You should have stopped at "I can't think" because you clearly have issues. ProSense Jun 2013 #254

What is wrong with being a staunch Democrat? treestar Jun 2013 #242

Nothing. What's right about being a party shill? Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #244

Because the Libertarians don't have a website as cool as Skinner's and are trying to steal this one? freshwest Jun 2013 #247

It really does look like that may be the case! treestar Jun 2013 #248

Congratulations. That's lower than the bottom of the pit beneath the DU troll shithouse. Zorra Jun 2013 #207

That's stupid comment, and your bullshit outrage is irrelevant. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #217

That's one of my highest order hypotheses, but there are questions about how stochastic patrice Jun 2013 #213

... because Plausible Deniability is one of the highest marketable commodities there is & evoking it patrice Jun 2013 #214

There is no Libertarian brand outside of the United States. Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #215

LOL! ProSense Jun 2013 #219

That COULD be merely a matter of labeling. "A 'rose' by any other name would smell as sweet."nt patrice Jun 2013 #220

K&R for a useful line of inquiry, ProSense! But then you need to know that it is my opinion that, patrice Jun 2013 #230

Wow...just freaking wow. Safetykitten Jun 2013 #238

If the focus was just the spying on Americans, I would say no, but that it has expanded to involve still_one Jun 2013 #252

So are you saying say Democrats have to be okay with spying on non-citizens? Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #256