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In reply to the discussion: It's hate. Period. [View all]patrice
(47,992 posts)a political activist I know who is strongly associated with the AFLCIO and also very supportive of anti-Monsanto work. I don't know how much it might have to do with it, but I gave him this link several months ago http://www.ewg.org/ because it has a farm-subsidy database in it.
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Kucinich is lost to me. I've always liked the ideals that we share, and I have several Green friends, but I have always disliked his tactics and have found the Greens to be dilatory organizers at best, hence, what is apparently little or nothing in the way of actual accomplishments outside of PR. This seems the same critique that we have of Barack Obama and the last straw for me was when Kucinich threw his support to Ron/Rand Paul who protect completely uncontrolled private, and therefore SECRET, assault weapons (and therefore probably OTHER kinds of weapons) market all around the world.
Not everyone who picks up a gun has the well being of others truly in mind/heart, nor are they necessarily freedom workers, and even if they did they aren't necessarily even the most competent persons to take on that role and to protect those kinds of death markets with a Grover Norquist style pledge in the Senate http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:S.2205.IS: to prevent U.S. participation in international agreements to regulate the flow of arms, including American, Russian, and Chinese, weapons, into unstable countries and - then - to try to prevent any form of nascent international justice to do anything about that by mischaracterizing ("Unprincipled! Unprincipled! Unprincipled!!! EVIL INTENT!!!"
ALL drone programs that, at least in some cases, could be the legitimate desire of at least some of the people for whatever chances they might have for stability through their treaty relations with the USA (e.g. perhaps Mali - and - we STILL don't know what was really going on, one way or the other, in Libya . . . ), all of that is just tooooo contradictory to me.
NOT that contradiction isn't permissable, even desirable, in some specific circumstances, but that I rather doubt that Dennis Kucinich and Ron/Rand Paul have enough or even the right kinds of INFORMATION to be making these broad assumptions about other, especially foreign, people's needs for security and what "contradictions" they should be allowed in order to implement functional responses to their situations. I think we should give those people an opportunity to decide for themselves, instead of assuming that Libertarians buzzy mind-altering-in-more-ways-than-one IDEOLOGY is exactly what those people need to die for as long as the killing is freelance.
Yes, I know, I'm supposed to go all hair-on-fire about "One World Order" and "Big Brother" and Animal Farm crap, but propaganda is propaganda no matter what direction it comes from and there's a HUGE difference between middle-class American 30-somethings opportunities to respond functionally to oppressors and those of poor people in 3rd World countries. I don't know whether we should or shouldn't be involved in these things, but I do think it is the absolute height of cultural imperalism and ideological conceit to assume that any chance the people have to raise their voices (the U.N. or the World Court) is EVIL BIG BROTHER and the cure is more assault weapons, so, pardon me, I'm really angry at Kucinich for being Fux Ewes', the Pauls', and Glenn Greenwald's patsy, so . . . .
FUCK Dennis Kucinich!