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brett_jv

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67. Generally agree about Gregory, HOWEVER ...

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 01:37 PM

Jun 2013

"Snowden exposed illegal activities that breach constitutional rights of privacy and due process.
Snowden is a whistle blower of criminal activities including the highest levels of "our" government. "

Remind me of which court case decided that the bulk collection of the meta-data of phone calls without the names attached to the phone numbers was prohibited by the 4th amendment?

The courts may yet decide this collection of meta-data IS in violation of the 4th, and I REALLY hope that one does ... but until that actually happens ... well, the first two lines of your post are just hyperbole, nothing more.

The law doesn't 'work like that', where random citizens (like you or I) personally just 'get to decide' ... what actions by the authorities are to be regarded as an 'unconstitutional search'.

The courts will decide, just like they have in other controlling cases, which has happened 100's and 100's of times before ... there's just not yet been one decided re: collection of phone call meta-data.

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David Gregory To Glenn Greenwald: 'Why Shouldn't You Be Charged With A Crime?' [View all] Ichingcarpenter Jun 2013 OP

The fact that he was "working with" Snowden before Snowden joined BAH makes me wonder Recursion Jun 2013 #1

Honestly, you have ot work with a source to put out a story. pam4water Jun 2013 #122

You don't have to say "go work for company X to get my document Y" Recursion Jun 2013 #123

One you miss understood what I meant. Real reports -- not the empty head TelePrompTer reading pam4water Jun 2013 #128

Glenn will get his. He is no journalist. Little more than an agent provocateur. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #2

you do realize that the journalists who covered the civil rights movement dsc Jun 2013 #5

Greenwald drapes himself with the First Amendment as he slings his shit MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #7

if he gets charged that is hardly protection dsc Jun 2013 #8

That's right. Because conspiring with a spy to leak National Secrets is treasonous in and of itself. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #11

I really don't think you thought this through dsc Jun 2013 #14

There was contact between Snowden and Greenwald pre-leak. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #22

and other reporters dont dsc Jun 2013 #37

There is almost always "contact pre leak". Perhaps if you stated it in all caps Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #66

Hope you're prepared to change your mind quickly if Obama goes back to where he was back in 08. 20score Jun 2013 #75

Wow this has really got your shorts in a twist HangOnKids Jun 2013 #85

It is logical that there was contact before the leak. I would not have Squinch Jun 2013 #94

There was contact before Snowden stole the data. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #100

You keep saying that. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #107

Greenwald tweeted it himself. Get informed. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #125

This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit Jun 2013 #126

Um, I am informed: Hissyspit Jun 2013 #127

Actually neither are treasonous. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #43

It wasn't treason to publish the Pentagon Papers. progressoid Jun 2013 #71

This is a judgement John2 Jun 2013 #79

If failure to be a 'decent human being' is now a chargeable offense, I'd HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #39

David Gregory should be charged with crimes for false reporting about Iraq WMD xtraxritical Jun 2013 #55

no, what makes him a decent human being is that he's fighting for our rights nashville_brook Jun 2013 #69

Excellent point. midnight Jun 2013 #12

Thanks for that important reminder. MLK. Mandela - also considered terrorists. chimpymustgo Jun 2013 #91

"provocateur" that's rich ...coming from someone with 10 hidden posts. n/t L0oniX Jun 2013 #18

sorry, I'm not in Greenwald's Fan Club. His intentions are not worthy. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #25

Nice transparency page. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #49

Meta? DU has so many "insider" things it's really hard to follow but it's your clique not mine. xtraxritical Jun 2013 #57

META was a forum on DU3 now defunct HangOnKids Jun 2013 #83

OK thanks, I've been confused about that for a long time. xtraxritical Jun 2013 #104

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Jun 2013 #89

It must be blissful to be so clueless. n/t NoodleyAppendage Jun 2013 #35

"agent provocateur"? NorthCarolina Jun 2013 #51

america heaven05 Jun 2013 #70

Most of our info about fascism comes from the era of B&W photography kenny blankenship Jun 2013 #88

I don't say this to be offensive, but... Bonobo Jun 2013 #112

That used to be true at one time nxylas Jun 2013 #114

Nothing personal but... BetterThanNoSN Jun 2013 #115

Did you get lost on your way to Free Republic? pam4water Jun 2013 #124

Let's just go ahead and rename "throw up" to "David-Gregory" yodermon Jun 2013 #3

Bwa-ha-ha, Reminds me of that old George Carlin routine "The 7 HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #41

nostalgia 90-percent Jun 2013 #46

YES! And for sick kids we can put the David-Gregory bucket beside their bed. HangOnKids Jun 2013 #81

I David-Gregory'ed after they force feed me at gitmo O: pam4water Jun 2013 #129

can always count on Gregory to shill for power neverforget Jun 2013 #4

I thought Greenwald gave Gregory an awesome smackdown. Punkingal Jun 2013 #6

It's going to be sweet when Greenwald goes down for the pre-leak conspiracy. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #10

But the real criminals in the Administration will go scot free MNBrewer Jun 2013 #17

just as long as Greenwald's smarmy ass gets what he deserves... MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #19

When you say it like that, it almost sounds personal. n/t eShirl Jun 2013 #24

Greenwald's overinflated ego has put people in danger. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #30

"He has done us all a disservice." magellan Jun 2013 #36

Says you. MNBrewer Jun 2013 #42

What exactly has put people in danger wtmusic Jun 2013 #45

If you think Snowden can tell Russia anything they don't already know, A Simple Game Jun 2013 #68

Snowden knows intimate details of the methods being used by the NSA. Now the Russians do to. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #101

I have no doubts that the Russians already knew more about it than Snowden does. n/t A Simple Game Jun 2013 #105

don't hold your breath on Greenwald being prosecuted. Come to think of it cali Jun 2013 #27

Why do you describe him as smarmy? Demit Jun 2013 #28

you heaven05 Jun 2013 #73

I can see how authoritiarians would consider that "sweet", yes. /nt Marr Jun 2013 #40

Grooming a mole? Sounds dirty. Take it to the Lounge, mister. This is a family forum. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #52

I was going to post something along those lines HangOnKids Jun 2013 #78

Mole grooming definitely sounds like something best done in private DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #95

I have to work tonight at our live auction and I am grumpy HangOnKids Jun 2013 #102

Ahem... BetterThanNoSN Jun 2013 #116

What crime? BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #9

Journalists abetting war crimes are prosecutable under international law Catherina Jun 2013 #13

what about journalists abetting espionage?? MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #31

FYI: Going public is not espionage, it's called blowing the whistle usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #33

^^this^^ If the knowledge is public everyone knows it eridani Jun 2013 #137

David Gregory's crime: Impersonation of a Journalist MNBrewer Jun 2013 #15

Also: Impersonation of a snow monkey jsr Jun 2013 #21

JLOTD wtmusic Jun 2013 #50

David Gregory is a toady. wundermaus Jun 2013 #16

Generally agree about Gregory, HOWEVER ... brett_jv Jun 2013 #67

We can agree about Gregory, but no however. A Simple Game Jun 2013 #72

Actually, it sounds like we don't disagree about anything ... brett_jv Jun 2013 #135

Yes let's get it out in the open and decide. A Simple Game Jun 2013 #136

This makes me wonder- what did Rand Paul know, and when did Rand Paul know it. graham4anything Jun 2013 #20

Drinking and posting is not advisable so early in the day. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #63

Graham4anything: "Paul/Nader/Greenwald/Kucinich" Party. Bonobo Jun 2013 #113

What Gregory really wanted to say RobertEarl Jun 2013 #23

Gregory is not qualified to determine who is or who is not a journalist. Evergreen Emerald Jun 2013 #26

I like how Greenwald called out Gregory Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #29

Pravda on the Potomac - YIKES usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #32

Yeah Gregory is unable to connect dots or even remember Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #34

Corporate McPravda Octafish Jun 2013 #54

but snowden is "hong kong eddie" the spy for talking to a chinese paper Monkie Jun 2013 #58

Ultimately... kentuck Jun 2013 #38

David Gregory should be charged with DirkGently Jun 2013 #44

Right marions ghost Jun 2013 #130

Added Video of tha smackdown to DU Videos section HERE: Poll_Blind Jun 2013 #47

What crime? treestar Jun 2013 #48

It's interesting to see the Greenwald haters try to figure out how to support Gregory Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #53

They'll find a way. I hear one of them has an OP quoting Rand Paul now Catherina Jun 2013 #60

Oh no, I have no ideological disconnect saying I still despise them both. Chan790 Jun 2013 #92

That's funny coming from the guy who illegally possessed a AR15 30-rd mag in DC aikoaiko Jun 2013 #56

And here comes that asshole Steven Rattner. Then a ZING by Greenwald Catherina Jun 2013 #59

LOL! Puglover Jun 2013 #62

HAHAHA. Pefect. nt laundry_queen Jun 2013 #74

This beauty should be on the front page! Just. Epic. AzDar Jun 2013 #84

Let's see Catherina Jun 2013 #86

Rattner...he makes me angry every time I hear his name come up Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #87

I love it! nt Enthusiast Jun 2013 #90

Monkey face Puglover Jun 2013 #61

What the fuck Gregory does know about being a... 99Forever Jun 2013 #64

Everyone claims NBC is "Liberal" but MTP was always a Neocon megaphone.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #65

Russert was useless and Gregory is useless rpannier Jun 2013 #109

Because David Gregory would have never exposed all this...like many "journalists". dkf Jun 2013 #76

Gregory should be fired immediately LittleBlue Jun 2013 #77

He would be a very John2 Jun 2013 #82

David Gregory? Karl Rove's dancing partner? AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #80

Yup. avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #108

Who needs the government to criminalize journalists? Catherina Jun 2013 #93

I think Gregory is Ichingcarpenter Jun 2013 #96

Thank you! Bookmarked n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #97

Glenn Greewald is a Libertarian who worked for the Koch Brothers. Ikonoklast Jun 2013 #118

I know it's useless to ask you people to try and back up your bullshit with facts, Maedhros Jun 2013 #131

Why thank you for what I already know. Ikonoklast Jun 2013 #133

Greenwald has not supported any candidate. Maedhros Jun 2013 #134

Important question. kentuck Jun 2013 #117

I just saw a video clip of this. N.I.B. Jun 2013 #98

Time for Comcast to fire Rove's dance partner. Octafish Jun 2013 #99

Not sure about all that, but I fired Comcast on Friday. I feel like I've had a nice shower. nt :) silvershadow Jun 2013 #106

I am going to join you. idwiyo Jun 2013 #103

To: MjolnirTime : What proof do you have of your allegations? whttevrr Jun 2013 #110

Here is the post referenced above: whttevrr Jun 2013 #111

why can't Gregory be charged with impersonating a news reporter.... tomm2thumbs Jun 2013 #119

FWIW.... ChiciB1 Jun 2013 #120

Of all the dumb thing Gregory has said that is the dumbest to date. But I have faith in him. He'll pam4water Jun 2013 #121

Gregory warrprayer Jun 2013 #132

David Gregory pomkrazy Jun 2013 #138