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liberalmuse

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60. So....

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 01:39 PM

Jun 2013

I've avoided this story because I've had to avoid most politics and bullshit these days, but why are our tax dollars being used to hunt him down? Jesus, don't we have bigger fish to fry? Really, what did he do but follow his own conscience? Why is he considered a "spy" if he did not sell state secrets for monetary or personal gain? He's gaining nothing by exposing this, which frankly I put in the category of shenanigans. Shit my country is doing that makes me ashamed, and I'm glad I know about it.

Maybe I don't get what's happening here with Snowden, or what he's done to endanger his country, but what I do get is that I don't like what my country is doing these days. At least what I've seen since 9/11, but it could be we've always been doing this shit and 9/11 just gave it visibility and credibility.

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Guardian now reporting that it looks like Ecuador is Snowden's destination [View all] cali Jun 2013 OP

Per CNN, the Ecuadorian Ambassador has traveled to the airport hotel... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #1

Ecuador has been on the Twitter and Breaking sites since early this am. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2013 #96

"It is not clear how he was allowed to leave Hong Kong if this happened." dipsydoodle Jun 2013 #2

FYI - You need a passport to board an airplane in Hong Kong jsr Jun 2013 #9

That is probably true of all airports for international flights dipsydoodle Jun 2013 #81

The issue is the extradition, which, if Hong Kong had honored it, pnwmom Jun 2013 #19

The US paperwork was bad. Lol. dkf Jun 2013 #34

Yes, that was what they said. Whatever that meant. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #40

Well I suppose I could've three words instead of one dipsydoodle Jun 2013 #77

So the other poster is stupid because you didn't understand their point? pnwmom Jun 2013 #86

No - that remark wasn't directed at the poster dipsydoodle Jun 2013 #89

I didn't "maliciously redirect" your statement. That's another problem with name-calling. pnwmom Jun 2013 #91

try getting on an international flight without a passport (or visa if also needed) WolverineDG Jun 2013 #29

Ed would have a passport now, though treestar Jun 2013 #51

They would if they knew the destination country would let him in muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #79

My brother on one occasion left his passport at an hotel in Amsterdam. dipsydoodle Jun 2013 #90

It is not clear because he was supposed to have been arrested pnwmom Jun 2013 #87

CNN reporting US has asked Cuba and Ecuador to either not let Snowden in or to expel him Catherina Jun 2013 #3

they look pathetic and desperate and I hope like hell that Cuba and Ecuador and cali Jun 2013 #4

U.S. is looking really bad the more they press Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #5

Well, if Cuba doesn't comply, we'll slap an embargo on them....oh, wait.... Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #6

Cuba will trade Snowden for some US concessions in a heartbeat hack89 Jun 2013 #10

Now this is an idea I like flamingdem Jun 2013 #12

I think Cuba should go for economic concessions hack89 Jun 2013 #14

True. That would be GREAT! flamingdem Jun 2013 #17

Unless it was political concessions, no Cuba wouldn't. David__77 Jun 2013 #49

With Hugo Chavez gone, Cuba is once again walking an economic tightrope hack89 Jun 2013 #70

Nonsense. Daniel537 Jun 2013 #97

Hugo wrecked the economy hack89 Jun 2013 #104

The US would never consider this. Daniel537 Jun 2013 #98

Time will tell hack89 Jun 2013 #105

The actions of a desperate man LittleBlue Jun 2013 #22

Are they our "allies" now too? nt bemildred Jun 2013 #31

If Ecuador allows Snowden in, will there be punitive economic sanctions against Ecuador put Zorra Jun 2013 #44

I don't see what Cuba has to gain but Ecuador might not want to treestar Jun 2013 #52

Apparently Hong Kong wasn't the boneheaded move some suggested. DirkGently Jun 2013 #7

You mean they did a soft shoe trying to explain their lack of backbone? flamingdem Jun 2013 #20

Hong Kong has a reputation as a haven for dissidents. DirkGently Jun 2013 #23

They reported in their HK papers that they'd asked for China to intervene flamingdem Jun 2013 #25

There is no indication information has been given to China. DirkGently Jun 2013 #32

'lack of backbone'? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #24

My position is we don't know who Snowden is and so far he will give info flamingdem Jun 2013 #28

But you think arresting him would have been a brave move by Hong Kong muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #37

Hong Kong is irrelevant, read up on how China is in charge of all national security there flamingdem Jun 2013 #41

So you think it's *China* that would have been brave to do what the USA tells it? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #46

If they care about relations with the US rather than a momentary coup flamingdem Jun 2013 #50

So 'backbone' was a reference to long-term strategic relations? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #54

How deep do you think corporate persons' (who have been mining data ever since 2001, the patrice Jun 2013 #45

I don't know what you're asking at all muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #53

Responding to why he wasn't arrested. If the government is owned by corporate persons, who patrice Jun 2013 #61

I'd have thought anyone who doesn't want him to reveal any more would want a quick arrest muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #75

It can be a mistake to assume that we know everything about how/why the 1% acts as it does... patrice Jun 2013 #82

Actually, we should go all of the way back, not just 2001, because corporate attorneys are NOT patrice Jun 2013 #58

Or the dutiful apologists for them. villager Jun 2013 #55

You really should phrase that as a possible PART of a diverse whole, because "them" who patrice Jun 2013 #64

well, Patrice, it probably scales up from family/school systems when we're young villager Jun 2013 #69

I completely agree. The PRICE of avoiding the positives & negatives of this will be higher than patrice Jun 2013 #74

Correa and Ecuador bashing begins in 5...4...3 Puglover Jun 2013 #8

Correa wants to poke Obama in the eye hack89 Jun 2013 #11

Correa is an idiot if he takes Snowden flamingdem Jun 2013 #13

You think he would have learned with Assange. nt hack89 Jun 2013 #15

i think you discount the resentment and anger that many countries feel toward the U.S. cali Jun 2013 #42

I know about that flamingdem Jun 2013 #47

The world will see it in a bad light Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #18

Just like they united behind Assange ... oh wait. hack89 Jun 2013 #21

You are wrong Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #26

What reason does the world have to care about Snowden? hack89 Jun 2013 #67

You mean like Bunnypants did when Correa didn't Puglover Jun 2013 #72

The Manta airbase was a minor issue hack89 Jun 2013 #73

The last time the US tried it blew up spectacularly Catherina Jun 2013 #30

I love it here Catherina. Puglover Jun 2013 #48

That looks like my view in Guatemala! Catherina Jun 2013 #56

We have two ensuite spare bedrooms. Puglover Jun 2013 #63

I will, I will! Catherina Jun 2013 #68

Just curious, NOT AN ATTACK ON ECUADOR: Is that volcanic? nt patrice Jun 2013 #76

Imbabura. You have a good eye. Puglover Jun 2013 #80

My daughter lives in the Northwest, so I worry. I have been in an extinct volcanoe patrice Jun 2013 #83

Tungurahua to the south Puglover Jun 2013 #84

Cue Ecuador bashing. The Link Jun 2013 #16

Here comes the bashers Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #27

Let them bash away. Puglover Jun 2013 #33

Propaganda from either direction is still propaganda. Do you oppose the spread of free information? patrice Jun 2013 #38

First they have to learn a little bit about Ecuador Catherina Jun 2013 #57

Isn't that the country where the Bush's bought enormous real estate sitting on top of patrice Jun 2013 #35

Yes, that was Paraguay (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #39

Thanks! Forgive me for being so lazy about googling. Just tired & fed up here! nt patrice Jun 2013 #65

Goddam Ecuadorite commies!!!1!!111 QC Jun 2013 #36

I wonder if next thing Alexander will do nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #43

Ecuador might want to stay away from small planes... leeroysphitz Jun 2013 #59

So.... liberalmuse Jun 2013 #60

Some of my concerns include people who consider it a matter of "conscience" that others should patrice Jun 2013 #85

Here's a copy of the Ecuador/US Extradition Treaty Catherina Jun 2013 #62

Final destnation per Guardian is Ecuador Progressive dog Jun 2013 #66

Good! Now the only thing Snowden has to worry about is getting stabbed with an icepick. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #71

At least Snowden can travel Jeneral2885 Jun 2013 #78

Any damage Snowden may have done has been done. MineralMan Jun 2013 #88

actually, that's wrong. cali Jun 2013 #92

All probably at the same modest level of MineralMan Jun 2013 #94

There's one significant difference here. You were a member of the USAF. scarletwoman Jun 2013 #93

There were many priivate contractors then, too. MineralMan Jun 2013 #95

Well, the contractors didn't divulge anything, one of their employees did. scarletwoman Jun 2013 #99

Most employees at NSA MineralMan Jun 2013 #100

If you're directly employed by a government agency, you're a government employee. scarletwoman Jun 2013 #101

Well, I bow to your extensive personal knowledge. MineralMan Jun 2013 #102

Oh please. You want a National Security State in the hands of private corporations? scarletwoman Jun 2013 #103