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In reply to the discussion: Let's be Clear [View all]TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)How can deal with the poison hangover and have the back of someone who seems pretty serious about continuing it?
How do we go after the originators if they are protected by or leadership? How do we settle the corporatist while strengthening them and putting them in all key positions?
How do we stop assaults on our liberties and what it means to be a citizen while steadfastly "having the back" of an assaulter (however he came to be such)?
What is it that we are supposed to be rallying around, Hekate? Apparently the President but it doesn't make any sense in context. I don't see how that manages to beat back the problems, the Administration is part of the problem. Not the point of origin, not the sole source but in arguably a part of the problem both here in other areas, some of which fit into a rather unpleasant and extremely dangerous picture with the drone proliferation, the standing up and declaring himself sole arbiter of life and death, the zealous pushing of the drug war, going after whistle blowers, going after press sources, the recycled TeaPubliKlan torture mongers and corporatist in the cabinet, the evil of declaring males of a certain age that happen to get hit by our missiles to be combatants, jumping into a civil war in Yemen and supporting a dictator rather than leaving it alone, the BP wipe and dangle, supporting incumbents that supposedly derail the agenda and opposing those who would support progress, pushing these globalist free trade agreements.
We don't even have to bring in the regressive forces in economics and certainly in education to discussion but they also support a powerful fog of stink and rot that are dangers to the self determination of a free people.
What the hell are we rallying around? I really don't get it at this point, we can only get his back when he is facing the right direction. When he finds himself not just being attacked by the regressives but actual opposes them then the army at his back would be legion but he chooses the "third way" and that makes him opposition, folks can't go where he leads so his support is dicey at best, much like yours is so conflicted that it is closer to collapse from internal exhaustion that it is its self a series of internal "deals" that foster largely baseless hope greased by faith disguised as trust.
One cannot serve two masters in fundamental conflict, Hekate. I cannot even try to, I don't function with much cognitive dissonance, my "master" or prime directives are never difficult to figure out. A passing thing like a politician has no chance, my values and principles will still be there after a pol has come and gone, IF I DO NOT ABANDON THEM, leaving myself with nothing.
Politicians and parties are tools to achieve ends, not the ends themselves.
Take away the character 'Obama' and take away that of "Snowden" and what remains is the truth. Deal with that truth and your opinion of the cast will sort its self out.
Put to the side the who's and focus on the what's and things become clear based on the laws written on your heart.
Concentrate on why you joined the fight rather than the cast and the labels. Find out what your side is on the issues and then see who is where and the "sides" take on a different look and those you'd prefer be there may not honestly be there and your powerful comrades in arms may be fewer than your most pessimistic projection.
Is there really significant value in plumbing the differences in the agendas of Pete Peterson and the Koch brothers or are they almost infinitely closer to being on the same side and we on another? They aren't exactly the same but they are far closer to such than either is to me even if one could come up with honest assessments of how one is closer to us than the other. The commonalities far outweigh the shades of gray differences sought out as signs of shared cause.
You cannot fight and serve the same ends. What and why trump who and when, the latter are color commentary on the former. One cannot determine who on their side until they first discern what their side is. Where do you stand determines who stands with you and who's back you have. What is the commandment screamed out by your soul, if you don't hear it are you listening? Separate the conflict and make yourself choose with an honesty understanding of why and move on in good conscience so you can be unapologetic and forthright in those convictions.
The difficulty with getting Obama (or the Clintons or far too many of our Senators for that matter) is I keep seeing them coming from the other direction and I can't help that nor can I see clear to absolve the majority of them in going right along often without a whimper of protest and more regularly joining in at the roots of many of the ills that plague us. Surveillance/Security state, deregulation, neocon exploits, free trade, and corporatizing are all via bipartisan consensus, we at least have a some that might oppose but all this shit pretty much comes down with at least veto proof majorities and on such there is little to no obstruction or foot dragging.
No matter how rancorous, certain very toxic shit ALWAYS manages to go right through without a fuss. How? How do bodies incapable of things like raising the pedestrian ass debt ceiling manage to work out big structural perversions over a late night, quick cup of coffee? Fight over Democrats passing GingrichCare for a year but effectively dictating indefinite detention gets knocked right the hell out with not even the threat of a constitutional showdown??? Really?
Things are not as they appear, we can only hazard educated guesses on how things really are, I fully grant but that is no reason to pretend things are as they would appear until you figure out what is really going on because the pretense prevents further discernment because you are doing something called walking in faith whether it is your intention or not. One is acting as though something is that is not.