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In reply to the discussion: What if Snowden is lying, distorting, exaggerating? [View all]DirkGently
(12,151 posts)71. Please cite Supreme Court support
for collecting all phone data from everyone, all the time. Think the ACLU is confused about basic 4th Amendment law?
"This dragnet program is surely one of the largest surveillance efforts ever launched by a democratic government against its own citizens," said Jameel Jaffer, ACLU deputy legal director. "It is the equivalent of requiring every American to file a daily report with the government of every location they visited, every person they talked to on the phone, the time of each call, and the length of every conversation. The program goes far beyond even the permissive limits set by the Patriot Act and represents a gross infringement of the freedom of association and the right to privacy."
The ACLU is a customer of Verizon Business Network Services, which was the recipient of a secret FISA Court order published by The Guardian last week. The order required the company to "turn over on 'an ongoing daily basis' phone call details" such as who calls are placed to and from, and when those calls are made. The lawsuit argues that the government's blanket seizure of and ability to search the ACLU's phone records compromises sensitive information about its work, undermining the organization's ability to engage in legitimate communications with clients, journalists, advocacy partners, and others.
"The crux of the government's justification for the program is the chilling logic that it can collect everyone's data now and ask questions later," said Alex Abdo, a staff attorney for the ACLU's National Security Project. "The Constitution does not permit the suspicionless surveillance of every person in the country."
http://www.aclu.org/national-security/aclu-files-lawsuit-challenging-constitutionality-nsa-phone-spying-program
All the "Snowden is a coward / traitor / pole dancer dater / iguana from Mars bloviating is third-rate spinning from the self-appointed Defenders of All Things Obama, period. It's shoot-the-messenger bullshit and everyone knows it.
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Like when he said he was making $200k/yr? Or that he could tap the President's phone?
baldguy
Jun 2013
#2
We aren't making them part of the country - I don't see why there's no difference
treestar
Jun 2013
#78
Perhaps stopping the misdeeds and publically taking responsibility for them would help.
sibelian
Jun 2013
#86
If Snowden is "leaking" lies then I think his legal problems have just evaporated
NoOneMan
Jun 2013
#8
I just watched a wall to wall parade of old, white rich dudes on Sunday talk shows
Harmony Blue
Jun 2013
#12
Yes, that's it! All those documents aren't real. They were created by satan to test our faith!
PSPS
Jun 2013
#18
Shouldn't that be up to us to decide without government interference?
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jun 2013
#19
If his "papers" weren't legitamate, then he probably wouldn't have been charged,
ZombieHorde
Jun 2013
#54
We know some of what he said was false. But even falsely-spun documents can have damaging facts
Recursion
Jun 2013
#36
This is not about Snowden's claims as much as it is about the people knowing and having a discussion
AZ Progressive
Jun 2013
#50
No we don't, we have evdence that the NSA kept metadata that SCOTUS had
Progressive dog
Jun 2013
#66
At a certain point in virtually any dialog there is such a thing as a truly stupid question.
sgtbenobo
Jun 2013
#59
See, my line had already been crossed at what the Administration and Congress admit
TheKentuckian
Jun 2013
#67