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In reply to the discussion: The leak was an attempt to bolster the libertarian brand. [View all]
patrice
(47,992 posts)218. Okay Th1onein, REALLY, why is it that all of the things I/you/we don't know about this don't matter?
Please, I really do need to know, so that's an honest question awaiting an explanation.
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There is absolutely ZERO evidence that Rand Paul is involved in the NSA or any other leaks.
Maedhros
Jun 2013
#125
Because we all know anyone who disagrees with Obama must certainly be a Rand Paul fan
davidn3600
Jun 2013
#8
there is nothing to criticize the government for. These are Paulites 100%.
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#178
that meme is a faux straw man. Boston was two thrill killer 15 minute fame seekers AND NOT
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#196
It is REASONABLE and 100% legal. And LOL we are conversing freely right all over the world
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#199
I don't know any Rand Paul fans here. Perhaps they exist & I just haven't come across them.
scarletwoman
Jun 2013
#16
"Agreeing" with Snowden is not the point, however much you might like it to be.
scarletwoman
Jun 2013
#78
"Because I put it there?" Well, yeah, obviously. Thing is, I sort of assumed you put it there
scarletwoman
Jun 2013
#94
You're going to get another third grade tactic in response. As if we didnt know that when you said
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#113
The thing is, I simply don't give a rip if Rand Paul is "exploiting" the leak. It's just so totally
scarletwoman
Jun 2013
#121
Conspiracy theory? Snowden donated $500 to Ron Paul's Presidential campaign in 2012 and what
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#135
Appeals to authority, bandwagon and guilt by association are all logical fallacies. This issue is a
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#95
That's not what I see her as saying. She's pointing out the truth -- that Rand Paul
pnwmom
Jun 2013
#102
You have your teams mixed up. It's not Libertarians vs. Dems, it's Surveillance State vs.
scarletwoman
Jun 2013
#111
How did I "hijack" this thread? I wrote a response, you responded to my response, I responded
scarletwoman
Jun 2013
#126
So what? Why aren't Dem politicians "luring" people in with a strong stance on Civil Liberties?
scarletwoman
Jun 2013
#148
I don't think about Rand Paul at all. I think the Repugs aka Libertarians are idiots.
scarletwoman
Jun 2013
#158
Gawd, this is worse than silly! Who gives a shit about the Libertarians?
Comrade Grumpy
Jun 2013
#151
You act as if Prosense wrote the article. Lowry wrote it, Prosense is letting us know about it.
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#92
Given that Snowden donated $500 to Ron Paul's 2012 Presidential run plus Lowry's article it's not a
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#101
Lowry's article just mentions the NSA as one more thing Paul is using
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2013
#162
No? Then it's about the availability of assault weapons in secret markets that supply
patrice
Jun 2013
#223
k, as long as we agree that propaganda is propaganda, no matter what label it's wearing. nt
patrice
Jun 2013
#224
freshwest all the reasons is reason for Rand Paul not be in office anywhere.
Thinkingabout
Jun 2013
#64
I think some of the oldest money is NOT blind & all of this is about preparing their "life" raft,
patrice
Jun 2013
#226
I think that's always been the case. It explains their positions on the environment in all ways.
freshwest
Jun 2013
#255
Snowden was wrong to get those Jim Crow laws passed all those years before he was born.
dawg
Jun 2013
#31
I am entirely comfortable with the idea of comparing who looks more stupid than whom.
Bonobo
Jun 2013
#33
You dispute that Lowry is a good source for how the right wing thinks on an issue? nt
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#97
The OP is quoting NRO so I thought I would give you Bush Torture Memo Author and
neverforget
Jun 2013
#106
The OP is quoting NRO on their interpretation of a possible right wing motive of Snowden.
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#108
The OP quotes right wingers and I link to a right winger who agrees and I'm threadjacking?
neverforget
Jun 2013
#110
As I said above in the thread with someone else, third grade tactics like these are not convincing
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#114
I'll tell you what. Agree that this issue falls across party lines and makes for strange bed fellows
neverforget
Jun 2013
#118
for the first time ever I actually looked up the Green Party website. I love their platform
liberal_at_heart
Jun 2013
#40
Just keep asking them how many people should die for what THEY call "Liberty", but which could
patrice
Jun 2013
#222
Those on the left libertarian train of thought, think they are oppressed by government.
freshwest
Jun 2013
#237
I care, and always have as far back as I can remember, very passionately about freedom. & In order
patrice
Jun 2013
#240
There is no Left, because there is no Left agenda and the reason there is no Left agenda is
patrice
Jun 2013
#225
Okay Th1onein, REALLY, why is it that all of the things I/you/we don't know about this don't matter?
patrice
Jun 2013
#218
Your objection is that the Republicans are too intelligent and swift to be caught flatfooted by what
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#107
Libertarian brand with a "cause". The brand would not bring in the type of support needed to win.
Thinkingabout
Jun 2013
#77
Rachel Maddow had an interview with Rand Paul about the exclusion of coloreds from businesses
Major Hogwash
Jun 2013
#103
I'm still wondering why he wasn't laughed off the stage at Simmons College.
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2013
#147
I have very personally known Libertarians who say precisely that. & Another thing they say is:
patrice
Jun 2013
#233
I think this actually made those of us that bothered to read it dumber.
Egalitarian Thug
Jun 2013
#155
Then why is Obama all of the sudden willing to discuss 'surveillance transparency'???
Logical
Jun 2013
#166
Snowden is a Pauliac all the way. So much so that he would throw his life away for his belief.
MjolnirTime
Jun 2013
#177
We really should stop this fighting, otherwise we'll miss the fireworks! nt
galileoreloaded
Jun 2013
#181
Yep! & All of those whom he opposes MUST be smeared. Now ... WHY is that? Hmmm????nt
patrice
Jun 2013
#221
a libertarian/Rand Paul insurgency within the GOP will rip the Republican Party completely apart
Douglas Carpenter
Jun 2013
#190
actually Rand Paul is part of Jeb Bush's team and a faithful BushPaulfamilyinc member.
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#202
well that we just don't know. How much of a careerist versus how much of an ideologue is Rand Paul?
Douglas Carpenter
Jun 2013
#203
His ideology was spelled out in his literature, and he is that. A JBS George Wallace/David Duke
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#204
if he supports the traditional libertarian isolationism -he will be anathema to the Republican Party
Douglas Carpenter
Jun 2013
#205
I am a John V. Lindsay LBJ liberal. JVL actually got more votes in the few primaries he ran in, than
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#206
John' linday's strongest showing was 5th place in the Florida primary - he never scored above the
Douglas Carpenter
Jun 2013
#208
I didn't say anything of that sort. I said in the FEW primaries he was in, he got more total votes
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#209
I liked Lindsay too. But there was no way he could have done well against Nixon in 1972.
Douglas Carpenter
Jun 2013
#211
again, I think Jeb would use him as VP. I didn't say Rand would win the nomination, I think Jeb will
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#212
Photo proof here. Anyone who wants to check his associations and statements with these guys, enjoy:
freshwest
Jun 2013
#258
No! but don't you think we should know everything there is to know about WHO he was trying to warn?
patrice
Jun 2013
#228
Some people's minds are easily boggled. Now I understand your sense of humor. And I'll work on mine.
freshwest
Jun 2013
#246
So do you get paid by the post? Or by each positive reference to a public official?
Gravitycollapse
Jun 2013
#250
I can't think of a single other person on this board who is a bigger party shill than you.
Gravitycollapse
Jun 2013
#253
Because the Libertarians don't have a website as cool as Skinner's and are trying to steal this one?
freshwest
Jun 2013
#247
Congratulations. That's lower than the bottom of the pit beneath the DU troll shithouse.
Zorra
Jun 2013
#207
That's one of my highest order hypotheses, but there are questions about how stochastic
patrice
Jun 2013
#213
... because Plausible Deniability is one of the highest marketable commodities there is & evoking it
patrice
Jun 2013
#214
That COULD be merely a matter of labeling. "A 'rose' by any other name would smell as sweet."nt
patrice
Jun 2013
#220
K&R for a useful line of inquiry, ProSense! But then you need to know that it is my opinion that,
patrice
Jun 2013
#230
If the focus was just the spying on Americans, I would say no, but that it has expanded to involve
still_one
Jun 2013
#252
So are you saying say Democrats have to be okay with spying on non-citizens?
Gravitycollapse
Jun 2013
#256