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lumberjack_jeff

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28. I can't reconcile two contradictory belief systems
Mon Feb 13, 2012, 08:35 PM
Feb 2012

a) Women are strong and capable. They are fully the equal of any man and should enjoy the same rights, responsibilities and expectations.
b) Women who make bad choices are victims. We must prosecute the men who are parties to those bad choices because if a man and a woman agree to some course of action, but to a passer-by the agreement seems unjust, unfair or unseemly against the woman, then society should intervene to protect her from victimization. She needs help, he needs prosecution. In this way there appears to be a spectrum of agency, "Adults" > "women" > "children and the mentally unfit."

As a practical matter, the "help" she's getting is no help at all. Unless she is arrested, the sex trade continues uninterrupted (but the price goes down because an undiminished supply chases a somewhat diminished demand) and pimps and traffickers never fear prosecution.

If a guy buys street drugs from a dealer who spends the proceeds to buy weapons to prosecute a gang war, it's a tragedy, but everyone who is a party to it "chose their life of crime".

Do women ever "choose a life of crime"? Not that I ever hear, but that would go a long way to reassert the idea that women are capable of agency of their own lives.

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"The Nordic model does not penalize the persons in prostitution, but makes resources available." lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #1
Drugs are not people, so the comparison is invalid. redqueen Feb 2012 #3
Sex isn't people either, so the comparison is valid. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #7
Prostitutes are people. redqueen Feb 2012 #12
I can't reconcile two contradictory belief systems lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #28
They don't stand on the streetcorner and never have. LadyHawkAZ Feb 2012 #18
"the abolitionist movement WANT us to die" redqueen Feb 2012 #19
Yes, it's a terrible thing to have to say LadyHawkAZ Feb 2012 #21
I didn't want to talk to you because it is my opinion that you argue in bad faith. redqueen Feb 2012 #22
It's not the same thing for a few reasons Aerows Feb 2012 #5
A man who has sex with a 13 year old IS a child molester. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #8
Yes, it does Aerows Feb 2012 #9
Pimping, exploitation, trafficking, and child molesting are all tangents. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #27
Unless you are famous. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #24
The point is not to punish women for having sex. JDPriestly Feb 2012 #16
You mean now I have to go to Thailand??...OK better food. Loudmxr Feb 2012 #2
Check this out. redqueen Feb 2012 #4
everybody should read that letter dana_b Feb 2012 #10
It is my very great pleasure to share it here. redqueen Feb 2012 #13
Wow - that was powerful! Thank you for posting that. RueVoltaire Feb 2012 #15
My pleasure. redqueen Feb 2012 #20
Odd wording for a Dublin Call Girl. ieoeja Feb 2012 #23
I always thought "punters" were gamblers FrodosPet Feb 2012 #25
I figured it was Irish slang. redqueen Feb 2012 #26
In the UK, any consumer of any product or service is a 'punter' stevenleser Feb 2012 #29
Oh noooooes ...... oldhippie Feb 2012 #6
I have every confidence that they will follow the same method redqueen Feb 2012 #14
This is excellent JustAnotherGen Feb 2012 #11
Very excellent news. Glad to hear this. K&R closeupready Feb 2012 #17
What does everything think of the reverse situation? FrodosPet Feb 2012 #30
You are not going to get an answer because that destroys the meme some are trying to sell. stevenleser Feb 2012 #32
this is good news varelse Feb 2012 #31
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