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ljm2002

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27. You made a claim about the threats we face now...
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 05:14 PM
Jun 2013

...that supposedly make it necessary to do all this surveillance.

I pointed out that all this surveillance did not stop a rather awful terrorist attack, even with specific warnings about one of the individuals involved, long before the attack took place..

My remarks are not an attempt to blame this administration. I blame the security state, the apparatus as a whole: it has its own inertia, its own internal logic, its own self preservation. It spans administrations, and it continues to grow.

These people love their technology. They love the fact that they can do data analysis, etc. They love the fact that they can have well paid careers, and can be the high priests of complex systems and in charge of super-duper-secret information. And while they are busy pursuing this technological solution, they try to make the information conform to the systems they have created -- and they often overlook real information that comes to them but is not part of a digitized data stream.

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too late. Edward's coat has turned... MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #1
Snowden Will Be Prosecuted Proclaims ProSense cali Jun 2013 #2
He will be. Have ProSense Jun 2013 #4
Do you think Venezuela will extradite him? bwahahahaha. cali Jun 2013 #8
"Do you think Venezuela will extradite him?" ProSense Jun 2013 #11
He's been charged? Your partner doesn't seem to agree, apparently... cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #31
WTF? ProSense Jun 2013 #33
Does Sen. Paul believe Cuba or Venezuela are any better than Russia? baldguy Jun 2013 #3
Rand feeling an onset of electile dysfunction? BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #5
I love the last sentence of your exerpt dsc Jun 2013 #6
Telephone metadata isn't personal data. And personal data requires a warrant. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #16
it's still creepy. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #18
In the 50's a suitcase bomber couldn't have left a nuclear package in the middle of NYC. pnwmom Jun 2013 #22
And yet in 2013... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #24
How is it that so many people blamed the Administration for not stopping the bombing pnwmom Jun 2013 #26
You made a claim about the threats we face now... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #27
No, that is it's limitation. But it could have stopped follow-up attacks, pnwmom Jun 2013 #28
You say it could have stopped follow-up attacks,... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #30
True. But I believe the Obama administration that some attacks pnwmom Jun 2013 #37
Creepy, but you know what? NoPasaran Jun 2013 #29
This is the real story, thanks Pro, RobertEarl Jun 2013 #7
This is really getting to be funny now alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #9
You want funny? Cha Jun 2013 #34
So, since Rand Paul is always wrong about everything according to you .. dawg Jun 2013 #10
Rand Paul. Words are cheep. Having a reporters neck stomped on, requires a contractor. wandy Jun 2013 #12
Paulbots breathe a sigh of relief as they learn they can have their cake and eat it too flamingdem Jun 2013 #13
In your face Paul Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #14
Too late Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #15
I'd guess this make you a Paul supporter. Morning Dew Jun 2013 #17
Actually, ProSense Jun 2013 #19
You disagree with him, then? Morning Dew Jun 2013 #20
First, tell me if you agree or disagree with him. ProSense Jun 2013 #21
I am not a Paul supporter or fan. Morning Dew Jun 2013 #23
You have to awfully dense to come up with that conclusion. Cha Jun 2013 #35
Why should anyone listen to Paul? hobbit709 Jun 2013 #25
Snowden's getting advice from his buddy, Rand Paul! Cha Jun 2013 #32
Yep Andy823 Jun 2013 #36
Yeah, Snowden needs a comfy hidey hole.. Cha Jun 2013 #38
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