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sibelian

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86. Perhaps stopping the misdeeds and publically taking responsibility for them would help.

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 05:23 PM

Jun 2013

Most ordinary human brings don't particularly want to go around blowing things up. I can;t see ordinary Muslims being tremendously horrified at their own governments helping America out in getting bad guys if America would stop making the bad guys by blowing up entire villages to prove silly points, primarily to *itself*.

Really, it's a mess. Hiding behind curtains of "but but but they aren't allowed to shoot BACK, that's just BADNESS" might convince Americans but why would anyone else buy it?

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What if Snowden is lying, distorting, exaggerating? [View all] ZRT2209 Jun 2013 OP

That's it! You're out! randome Jun 2013 #1

Doncha know we adore Snowdon without question flamingdem Jun 2013 #16

Like when he said he was making $200k/yr? Or that he could tap the President's phone? baldguy Jun 2013 #2

Far better to trust the NSA. Completely and uncritically. villager Jun 2013 #3

Ask Drake. Ask Binney. Ask Wiebe... Octafish Jun 2013 #46

Exactly. Spot on. peacebird Jun 2013 #76

Yep. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #91

He's being charged with espionage. MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #4

Look at the Government's reaction. dkf Jun 2013 #5

The evident panic inside the beltway pscot Jun 2013 #6

Deep indeed... " chase him to the ends of the earth" Catherina Jun 2013 #9

Little Lindsey is beside himself pscot Jun 2013 #13

+1 nt Live and Learn Jun 2013 #11

Bingo marions ghost Jun 2013 #22

nevermind. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #29

How do you know the alleged panic is not about treestar Jun 2013 #44

You mean someone might get pissed off because we're spying on our ALLIES? Th1onein Jun 2013 #56

No I mean say some real agent getting outed and killed treestar Jun 2013 #68

WHAT can they possibly do with the information that we're all being spied on? Th1onein Jun 2013 #73

Something is being threatened pscot Jun 2013 #64

You really feel so completely at ease about Al Qaeda treestar Jun 2013 #69

You mean like radicalized Muslims? Like the Boston Bombers? Th1onein Jun 2013 #74

So then there is a threat from Muslims? treestar Jun 2013 #77

Bullshit. Th1onein Jun 2013 #89

AlQuaida is a reactionary force pscot Jun 2013 #75

We aren't making them part of the country - I don't see why there's no difference treestar Jun 2013 #78

Why not remain 13 states? What would have been so awful about that. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #90

I wasn't around at the time treestar Jun 2013 #92

That wasn't the question. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #93

Perhaps stopping the misdeeds and publically taking responsibility for them would help. sibelian Jun 2013 #86

It is my understanding Yemen actually wants us there "blowing up" treestar Jun 2013 #87

They could have been stopped pscot Jun 2013 #88

^^ This. n/t winter is coming Jun 2013 #82

I think it's his raw evidence that's more of the threat zazen Jun 2013 #7

If Snowden is "leaking" lies then I think his legal problems have just evaporated NoOneMan Jun 2013 #8

The only valid claim so far is he stole classified documents Whisp Jun 2013 #14

Maybe because we already knew Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #10

I just watched a wall to wall parade of old, white rich dudes on Sunday talk shows Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #12

Yep marions ghost Jun 2013 #25

Kind of like visual evidence, Progressive dog Jun 2013 #33

It is eerie how it all came together Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #39

It is that nt Progressive dog Jun 2013 #42

Easy...he would have been dismissed. They want him, and they want him bad. nt wtmusic Jun 2013 #15

that was just to get you guys all riled up. it worked. DevonRex Jun 2013 #34

Good, apparently he's got you riled up too. nt wtmusic Jun 2013 #37

I think the response is proof enough. Downwinder Jun 2013 #17

Precisely. jsr Jun 2013 #23

You mean the lack of any attempt to capture him? Recursion Jun 2013 #32

Yes, that's it! All those documents aren't real. They were created by satan to test our faith! PSPS Jun 2013 #18

Shouldn't that be up to us to decide without government interference? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #19

A jury of his peers would be nice Progressive dog Jun 2013 #40

I was referring to what he revealed and will reveal. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #45

He's not being silenced or persecuted Progressive dog Jun 2013 #53

Did you miss the indictments and attempts to extradite him? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #55

He has been charged with crimes, that is the way it works. Progressive dog Jun 2013 #60

I'm sure they would give him an open forum if he were caught. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #62

The NY Times published, Ellsburg is not in jail, Nixon resigned Progressive dog Jun 2013 #65

The Times was allowed to print by a ruling of the supreme court. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #70

Nobody has refuted the authenticity of the documents Snowden revealed jsr Jun 2013 #20

Nobody has confirmed the authenticity of the documents Snowden revealed Coyotl Jun 2013 #27

Snowden was not charged with theft of fake documents jsr Jun 2013 #38

What if he isn't lying, distorting, exaggerating? Autumn Jun 2013 #21

If he was lying, then he would be a conspiracy theorist. ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #24

Most CT's don't have papers Politicalboi Jun 2013 #31

If his "papers" weren't legitamate, then he probably wouldn't have been charged, ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #54

This has been known since a long time ago AZ Progressive Jun 2013 #26

Didn't we elect Snowden last November? Politicalboi Jun 2013 #28

We already know he lied, distorted, exaggerated. What we don't know is DevonRex Jun 2013 #30

What if our elected leadership, military, and intelligence agencies are PufPuf23 Jun 2013 #35

We know some of what he said was false. But even falsely-spun documents can have damaging facts Recursion Jun 2013 #36

You will be called an Authoritarian Apologist in 3.2.1 treestar Jun 2013 #41

Sticking one's head in the sand is not a good idea AZ Progressive Jun 2013 #49

I don't think anyone is sure, that is what has so many worried liberal N proud Jun 2013 #43

The docs speak for them self and buttress his further claims. morningfog Jun 2013 #47

He is making claims based on "documents" that he won't let you see Progressive dog Jun 2013 #48

This is not about Snowden's claims as much as it is about the people knowing and having a discussion AZ Progressive Jun 2013 #50

Those are his claims and you can't separate them Progressive dog Jun 2013 #57

We have unrefuted docs showing massive surveillance. DirkGently Jun 2013 #58

No we don't, we have evdence that the NSA kept metadata that SCOTUS had Progressive dog Jun 2013 #66

Please cite Supreme Court support DirkGently Jun 2013 #71

Here you go Progressive dog Jun 2013 #80

No one thinks that law means what the NSA is doing DirkGently Jun 2013 #84

Don't include me in your no one. Progressive dog Jun 2013 #85

The docs are real. The debate is real. That is enough. DirkGently Jun 2013 #51

Neil Cavuto, is that you? backscatter712 Jun 2013 #52

At a certain point in virtually any dialog there is such a thing as a truly stupid question. sgtbenobo Jun 2013 #59

Fine - then the government should have no problem . . . markpkessinger Jun 2013 #61

If that was so, why bring charges against him? still_one Jun 2013 #63

See, my line had already been crossed at what the Administration and Congress admit TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #67

Snowden isn't really relevant. As others said... nessa Jun 2013 #72

If he is shown to be lying, distorting and/or exaggerating - madamesilverspurs Jun 2013 #79

Panic in the avenues of power says otherwise nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #81

The NSA boss, Alexander says Snowden is accurate. former9thward Jun 2013 #83