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16. Whether somebody is a whistleblower is always up for argument

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 06:27 PM

Jun 2013

Side issue: She should have had backups too. How could she be that dumb? She's dealing with the CIA.

No system is perfect and her case wouldn't prove for all time that a leak is always better than the internal system. We don't even know that if we heard both sides, we might agree with the CIA that what she was complaining about what not a problem. Some people make unreasonable complaints. Here she asks for an assumption she was in the right.

She might have accidentally deleted it herself. And it is not Authoritarian to wonder if her story is true - we can't always assume the complainer/leaker is always right or we are blind, too. It's not a perfect world either. This person says whistleblower protections won't always work. Nothing always works.

I don't know the answer, but making every leak a right thing to do isn't it, either.

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