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ljm2002

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30. You say it could have stopped follow-up attacks,...
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 06:44 PM
Jun 2013

...but of course we have no way of knowing that.

My point is, we are paying huge $$$ for our government to to collect huge amounts of information on all of us, all so we can have the illusion of security. The fact that a lot of this money goes to private firms, and that as a result there are tens of thousands of contractors who have top secret clearances, is just an additional poke in the eye to the citizens of the U.S.

The basic disagreement that a lot of us have is between those who believe this system really provides the level of security that our government claims it does, vs. those of us who do not believe it; and between those who trust the government (and its contractors) not to abuse the information that has been collected, vs. those of us who know for a certainty that they will abuse it.

I guess "never the twain shall meet" is where we're at. It's glass half empty / glass half full stuff, showing there is a very fundamental difference in world view between us, that is not amenable to argument.

But argue we will, this is DU!

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WTF? ProSense Jun 2013 #33
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I love the last sentence of your exerpt dsc Jun 2013 #6
Telephone metadata isn't personal data. And personal data requires a warrant. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #16
it's still creepy. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #18
In the 50's a suitcase bomber couldn't have left a nuclear package in the middle of NYC. pnwmom Jun 2013 #22
And yet in 2013... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #24
How is it that so many people blamed the Administration for not stopping the bombing pnwmom Jun 2013 #26
You made a claim about the threats we face now... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #27
No, that is it's limitation. But it could have stopped follow-up attacks, pnwmom Jun 2013 #28
You say it could have stopped follow-up attacks,... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #30
True. But I believe the Obama administration that some attacks pnwmom Jun 2013 #37
Creepy, but you know what? NoPasaran Jun 2013 #29
This is the real story, thanks Pro, RobertEarl Jun 2013 #7
This is really getting to be funny now alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #9
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Actually, ProSense Jun 2013 #19
You disagree with him, then? Morning Dew Jun 2013 #20
First, tell me if you agree or disagree with him. ProSense Jun 2013 #21
I am not a Paul supporter or fan. Morning Dew Jun 2013 #23
You have to awfully dense to come up with that conclusion. Cha Jun 2013 #35
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Snowden's getting advice from his buddy, Rand Paul! Cha Jun 2013 #32
Yep Andy823 Jun 2013 #36
Yeah, Snowden needs a comfy hidey hole.. Cha Jun 2013 #38
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