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113. Yes, at some point you have to help yourself

Reply to Ash_F (Reply #27)

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 07:49 PM

Jun 2013

You have to decide whether allegiance is more precious than the State.

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Are you talking like a conservative lately? [View all] michigandem58 Jun 2013 OP

It's the new "hip to be square" around here Aerows Jun 2013 #1

Hmm. Ash_F Jun 2013 #2

Because we all live in Libya Aerows Jun 2013 #4

That was the side Obama supported. /nt Ash_F Jun 2013 #5

Which side? Aerows Jun 2013 #8

Are you really that ignorant about what was all over the news only two years ago? Ash_F Jun 2013 #13

Well, that's going to gain you supporters Aerows Jun 2013 #14

At some point you have to try to help yourself Ash_F Jun 2013 #27

Yes, at some point you have to help yourself Aerows Jun 2013 #113

There is nothing conservative about .... dawg Jun 2013 #3

The same straw man they used treestar Jun 2013 #6

Let me try a logic exercise with you. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #7

It's oversimplifying to say the government is not more transparent treestar Jun 2013 #15

You try filing FOIAs. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #18

I have filed FOIAs treestar Jun 2013 #20

Hey, Nadin, do you know what ever happened with this? woo me with science Jun 2013 #25

Nope nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #31

What isn't oversimplifying Aerows Jun 2013 #21

Hey, to be fair nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #22

You are right Aerows Jun 2013 #26

I don't think they specifically called anyone a racist treestar Jun 2013 #24

Treestar Aerows Jun 2013 #33

Obama is not going to bomb Seattle treestar Jun 2013 #36

If he did Aerows Jun 2013 #38

Thank you for reminding me why Treestar nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #40

I think that's unfair treestar Jun 2013 #53

Actually for that, no I wouldn't treestar Jun 2013 #42

You will support any Democrat in the White House Aerows Jun 2013 #48

I think the Democratic party principles are pretty good for the most part treestar Jun 2013 #52

I'm sorry? "Haven't found anything sustainable" to criticize the President about? OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #68

All of that has been dealt with, over and over treestar Jun 2013 #71

Had it been dealt with Aerows Jun 2013 #90

"has been dealt with"? OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #110

What they mean by dealt with is that anyone who has brought up substance Generic Other Jun 2013 #115

Anyone who thinks Obama is being held to an unfair, "higher" standard is crazy MNBrewer Jun 2013 #51

that was helpful. treestar Jun 2013 #54

Pretty much Aerows Jun 2013 #56

You didn't have DU during the Clinton Presidency. dawg Jun 2013 #63

No, it's flat-out lying. Scootaloo Jun 2013 #84

It has already happened Aerows Jun 2013 #86

Oh dear, you think this started with Snowden/NSA criticisms? How precious. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #92

Show me. n/t Scootaloo Jun 2013 #95

Problem is you can't show me even one person who 'fawns' over Bill Clinton who calls Obama Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #105

"There are many other agencies and they might be much more transparent. No one has discussed Th1onein Jun 2013 #76

I don't think you've zonked this argument treestar Jun 2013 #78

Are we reading the same DU? Th1onein Jun 2013 #81

Having followed several links there treestar Jun 2013 #82

What you are saying is false, on it's face. Th1onein Jun 2013 #83

That's the only place it is coming from. treestar Jun 2013 #104

Given the fact that McClatchy was one of the media groups that actually told the truth about Th1onein Jun 2013 #116

That's as dishonest as when you said 'gay people have plenty of rights' and claimed that Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #101

maybe your inane op should give you pause. cali Jun 2013 #9

+1 Zorra Jun 2013 #60

People confuse Tea Party-style tone and hatred of Obama for conservatism. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #10

and most people here who criticize the President don't hate him at all. cali Jun 2013 #11

Criticism on policy certainly isn't hate. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #17

And having an orgasm Aerows Jun 2013 #23

I generally disapprove of the charge of racism in policy discussions. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #30

Can you point to a post that Aerows Jun 2013 #41

From people here, no. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #45

As did Ralph Nader n/t sweetloukillbot Jun 2013 #108

Again, it's cute you think this behavior began only recently with Snowden/NSA. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #94

I agree with that. cali Jun 2013 #35

We've been agreeing too much lately. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #44

ah well, wait a minute and we'll find something to scrap over. cali Jun 2013 #46

I want conservative policies to fail, absolutely. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #61

Do those policies reflect the overall nature geek tragedy Jun 2013 #67

Yes. OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #69

You ought to take this piece of crap OP and flush it. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #12

+ 1 nt stillwaiting Jun 2013 #28

No kidding. 99Forever Jun 2013 #65

Do you find yourself defending conservative ideas to the bitter end? The Link Jun 2013 #16

Not to mention VERY conservative on environmental issues. East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #47

No, I don't. PDJane Jun 2013 #19

Nope. I'm me. Herlong Jun 2013 #29

Don't forget the anti govt. screed Floyd_Gondolli Jun 2013 #32

oh give it up backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #34

+1 GoCubsGo Jun 2013 #49

yeah, sure, that's the ticket. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #37

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #39

... The Link Jun 2013 #43

that's it backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #58

Welcome to DU, lol. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #62

Maybe Hannity and all those Fox folks 'have' infiltrated DU and we just don't know it yet. Tx4obama Jun 2013 #64

Are they running out of bodies to throw into the fray? RetroLounge Jun 2013 #66

SO now the smear is conservatism.... perfect. MNBrewer Jun 2013 #50

It's suddenly "conservative" to state the utterly obvious truth? Bullshit. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #55

Yet concerns about racism are sneered at here michigandem58 Jun 2013 #72

No one's sneering at actual, valid racism. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #74

"Valid" racism? Is that like "legitimate" rape? michigandem58 Jun 2013 #75

No. It's like the actual racism many on the right engage in, WRT President Obama DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #77

Welcome to Ignore. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2013 #80

Race has never been DU's strong point n/t Scootaloo Jun 2013 #85

Concerns about racism are not sneered at here. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #98

This message was self-deleted by its author Violet_Crumble Jun 2013 #57

Kick n/t Violet_Crumble Jun 2013 #59

Since I refuse to break the rules.... Marrah_G Jun 2013 #70

Or maybe those hurling ridiculous and baseless charges should consider the consequences Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #73

omg n/t leeroysphitz Jun 2013 #79

i keep having sadistic fantasies about ppl who have undermined my personal brand BOG PERSON Jun 2013 #87

Bullshit post, Blue_In_AK Jun 2013 #88

are you sounding like a fascist tea bagger lately? cause this sure does. nt xchrom Jun 2013 #89

when people opposed the expansion of surveillance when Bush/Cheney were in power was that racism? Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #91

You need to read Pelosi's fact sheet michigandem58 Jun 2013 #99

oh nonsense - You would not be justifying this expansion if there was a Republican President. Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #103

No, but strangely I have been walking like an Egyptian Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #93

you can call me anything you like. liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #96

Maybe the fact that President Obama is acting like a conservative should give you pause. npk Jun 2013 #97

ouch, that'll leave a mark Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #114

This is patently offensive. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #100

I go to Market Street in San Francisco and bark about a flat tax to passerby. Why? DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #102

For fuck's sake. It is because the apologists have their morningfog Jun 2013 #106

"The race card" = conservative lingo michigandem58 Jun 2013 #109

LOL! THis is too fucking funny!~ morningfog Jun 2013 #111

Obama wouldn't make the grade with you because duffyduff Jun 2013 #107

No "talking like a conservative" doesn't "give me pause". sibelian Jun 2013 #112

You should add the whole "Godamn commie-lovin' traitor" routine too. nt Bonobo Jun 2013 #117