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davidn3600

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Sun Jun 23, 2013, 08:54 PM Jun 2013

Im tired of the everyone concentrating on Snowden and not the surveillance state [View all]

The government is spying on us. They are violating our constitutional rights. The government has no respect for privacy. And dont give me shit about the FISA court being a check and balance. 30,000+ requests for a warrant and they only reject 11? That's a rubber stamp court giving out secret rulings/warrants obtained through unconstitutional means.

And the authoritarians who support these tactics only response is, "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about." Ummm...yeah you do. And any person that says this line I put in the realm as Hitler and Stalin. You are a fascist who supports a police state.

You see, you dont get to decide if you've done anything wrong. The government makes that determination. The government is who defines what "wrong" means. That's the reason you never, ever talk to the police without an attorney. There are so many laws written so broadly that it's impossible for you to live a life and not violate a law.

Now imagine you got Big Brother constantly looking over your shoulder, constantly collecting data on what you are doing, who you are talking to and what about. Imagine how easy such a vast surveillance system can be abused to one day cross-reference what you are doing to how you vote, what you learned in school, what websites you go to, and some computer algorithm calculates all this data and determines how much of a threat you are or how likely you are to commit a crime. Already political campaigns are gathering data on behavior to identify potential voters. So a lot of this technological infrastructure already exists.

Imagine in the future, some program can track your movements and determines you tend to visit certain high crime areas of your city more than the average person....meaning you should be put under further suspicion. That is exactly what PRISM and this NSA program is doing online. You may be talking to some guy online about cooking, but unknowingly to you...he's actually a terrorist who visits radical Islamic websites. But the fact you talked to him means the system should now pay more attention to you because you might be a terrorist. Even though all you were doing is talking about how to bake a casserole.

This is the future of crime-fighting right here, folks. The government is already creating databases with your DNA even if you have never committed a crime. Remember, they have to make sure the prisons of the future are always at least 90% full in order for the corporations that own/run them to make a profit.

When our founders created this government, it was created to be a servant of the people. Can anyone honestly say this is true today? Think about it...who is it serving? If we are going to have a surveillance state that spies on people, why not a surveillance state that also spies on corporations and corrupt bank executives? Let's root out anti-trust violations by listening in on what board members say to each other and lets all be able to read CEO emails. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, right? If private citizens can't have any privacy, then corporations shouldn't either.

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K&R MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #1
Well said. Welcome to DU, btw. scarletwoman Jun 2013 #2
welcome to DU Pharaoh Jun 2013 #19
Well, the poster is new to me. And you can't see someone's post count when you have the scarletwoman Jun 2013 #20
you are forgiven Pharaoh Jun 2013 #23
Phweew! scarletwoman Jun 2013 #25
NSA is keeping a tally of your sins. Enthusiast Jun 2013 #51
to read later snagglepuss Jun 2013 #3
Not all of us... nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #4
Many of the Snowden posts seem to be attempts to deflect attention from the surveillance state..... marmar Jun 2013 #5
Absolutely. n/t Skip Intro Jun 2013 #8
exactly. liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #10
That's true. It seems to be the modus operandi here as of late. SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #15
Snowden himself is providing the distraction with his leaks of documents pnwmom Jun 2013 #78
America is at a crossroads marions ghost Jun 2013 #6
K&R forestpath Jun 2013 #7
I agree. People seem to think it's ok. They think, the Obama administration won't abuse this data. nessa Jun 2013 #9
There isnt any evidence to prove that he has abused it though either though I agree the risk is cstanleytech Jun 2013 #35
It goes beyond that...the point that any info is being collected at all is the problem davidn3600 Jun 2013 #49
I think he wants us to concentrate on him. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #11
well then you do that frylock Jun 2013 #60
Remember, it's about who comes after. Would you want Romney to get ahold of the apparatus? nt silvershadow Jun 2013 #12
Who's an "enemy of the state"? tblue Jun 2013 #13
K&R, What is freedom if not privacy? Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #14
K & R cantbeserious Jun 2013 #16
That is the whole point. Curmudgeoness Jun 2013 #17
A Very Important Point You Make 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #43
I remember that movie. Curmudgeoness Jun 2013 #69
Like a pickpocket distract nineteen50 Jun 2013 #64
Between that and running around JoeyT Jun 2013 #18
They are secret for a reason though they are dealing with intelligence issues that could impact cstanleytech Jun 2013 #33
Thanks for this matt819 Jun 2013 #21
Well put. 99Forever Jun 2013 #22
And yet, you're still able to type this OP with no consequences ecstatic Jun 2013 #24
Strawman BS hueymahl Jun 2013 #27
Alas, that's how it's done in Murica RufusTFirefly Jun 2013 #26
BUT, but ... the Liberarians are coming!!! So Snowden is E*V*I*L 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #28
Martin Luther King was an ADULTERER!!! RufusTFirefly Jun 2013 #29
Hear. Hear. nt tsuki Jun 2013 #30
Exactly rightsideout Jun 2013 #31
Actually thats up to SCOTUS to determine if it is or is not constitutional. nt cstanleytech Jun 2013 #32
True. And it's also up to any POTUS who runs for office as a "constitutional expert" 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #37
If it was only that simple then yes but the world isnt a simple black and white cstanleytech Jun 2013 #46
My theory about what "Obama learned once in the WH" is this 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #47
Possible. cstanleytech Jun 2013 #48
Either way, we all lose 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #50
The scotus that gave us citizens United? Doctor_J Jun 2013 #71
Disagreement over SCOTUS rulings are hardly new though Doc. cstanleytech Jun 2013 #74
You consider this SCOTUS trustworthy?? Doctor_J Jun 2013 #81
So you consider congress more trustworthy??? cstanleytech Jun 2013 #85
I'm actually sick of Glenn Greenwald. 1983law Jun 2013 #34
Snowden should be part of the discussion davidpdx Jun 2013 #36
"We the people" want transparency and to bring an end to rampant corruption. 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #40
CEOs are today's Lords and Barons... Octafish Jun 2013 #38
I just finished watching the Tudors mini-series, on Netflix. 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #41
I am bitterly disappointed by this whole issue DissidentVoice Jun 2013 #39
Exactly! 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #42
30,000 requests since 1979. Its less disturbing if you say it that way. bhikkhu Jun 2013 #44
Apparently the FISA court rejects some requests for specific reasons... randome Jun 2013 #52
If they can't counter the message, they'll attack the messenger. n/t Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #45
The weird thing is how they just keep going... sibelian Jun 2013 #53
Hear, hear! FiveGoodMen Jun 2013 #54
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #55
Everyone isn't tavalon Jun 2013 #56
We can hear you now. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #57
I agree. Snowden is a small blip compared to the gaping and festering wound Cleita Jun 2013 #58
Great post, David!! K&R for clarity on the SURVEILLANCE STATE. chimpymustgo Jun 2013 #59
Hearing this hyperbole makes me want to join the NSA out of pure spite. WatermelonRat Jun 2013 #61
Well said. randome Jun 2013 #62
Welcome.... Grassy Knoll Jun 2013 #63
Always wait until you have a full-blown, unopposable surveillance state before pointing it out FiveGoodMen Jun 2013 #80
How about getting evidence before starting the operation? randome Jun 2013 #82
K&R I agree 100 percent Populist_Prole Jun 2013 #65
But, but, but...... DeSwiss Jun 2013 #66
I agree. It's similar to the IRS & Issa. SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2013 #67
but Snowden hates Jesus and universal healthcare and Glenn Greenwald is a poopy head Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #68
It's the culture of personality Doctor_J Jun 2013 #70
like Manning, Assange, or Sibel Edmonds, I'm more interested in what he revealed than his yurbud Jun 2013 #72
Those that do so are mindless magpies attracted to shiny objects. Bonobo Jun 2013 #73
he broke the RULES and the RULES are whats important. Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #75
Then blame it on Snowden for not focusing his revelations on internal US surveillance pnwmom Jun 2013 #76
You know what? Bonobo Jun 2013 #77
Who's noticed the number of Snowden attackers with a 2008... TheMadMonk Jun 2013 #79
That train left the station in 2003 and there are bigger fish to fry at the moment. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #83
How naive are we? Did many of us miss the reports saying that all of this was happening years ago? themaguffin Jun 2013 #84
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