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JoeyT

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18. Between that and running around

Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:17 PM

Jun 2013

shrieking about Ron/Rand Paul no one is really bothering to defend the programs, other than to insist they're legal and transparent because secret courts write secret warrants that you aren't allowed to see. Then they go back to screaming about Paul/Snowden/Greenwald. No one is bringing up Obama half of the time, other than the people that seem to think opposing spying on us equals hating the President.

Maybe instead of being pissed off that our side is losing the PR war over doing indefensible stuff, they could support our side not DOING indefensible stuff.

I don't want to see CEO emails, I want every elected official's emails and phone call logs to be made public, including on their personal phones. We're all about some transparency and that's apparently not an invasion of privacy or something. I want to know every fucking lobbyist every politician ever talked to, how long they talked to them, and where they were when they talked.

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Im tired of the everyone concentrating on Snowden and not the surveillance state [View all] davidn3600 Jun 2013 OP

K&R MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #1

Well said. Welcome to DU, btw. scarletwoman Jun 2013 #2

welcome to DU Pharaoh Jun 2013 #19

Well, the poster is new to me. And you can't see someone's post count when you have the scarletwoman Jun 2013 #20

you are forgiven Pharaoh Jun 2013 #23

Phweew! scarletwoman Jun 2013 #25

NSA is keeping a tally of your sins. Enthusiast Jun 2013 #51

to read later snagglepuss Jun 2013 #3

Not all of us... nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #4

Many of the Snowden posts seem to be attempts to deflect attention from the surveillance state..... marmar Jun 2013 #5

Absolutely. n/t Skip Intro Jun 2013 #8

exactly. liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #10

That's true. It seems to be the modus operandi here as of late. SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #15

Snowden himself is providing the distraction with his leaks of documents pnwmom Jun 2013 #78

America is at a crossroads marions ghost Jun 2013 #6

K&R forestpath Jun 2013 #7

I agree. People seem to think it's ok. They think, the Obama administration won't abuse this data. nessa Jun 2013 #9

There isnt any evidence to prove that he has abused it though either though I agree the risk is cstanleytech Jun 2013 #35

It goes beyond that...the point that any info is being collected at all is the problem davidn3600 Jun 2013 #49

I think he wants us to concentrate on him. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #11

well then you do that frylock Jun 2013 #60

Remember, it's about who comes after. Would you want Romney to get ahold of the apparatus? nt silvershadow Jun 2013 #12

Who's an "enemy of the state"? tblue Jun 2013 #13

K&R, What is freedom if not privacy? Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #14

K & R cantbeserious Jun 2013 #16

That is the whole point. Curmudgeoness Jun 2013 #17

A Very Important Point You Make 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #43

I remember that movie. Curmudgeoness Jun 2013 #69

Like a pickpocket distract nineteen50 Jun 2013 #64

Between that and running around JoeyT Jun 2013 #18

They are secret for a reason though they are dealing with intelligence issues that could impact cstanleytech Jun 2013 #33

Thanks for this matt819 Jun 2013 #21

Well put. 99Forever Jun 2013 #22

And yet, you're still able to type this OP with no consequences ecstatic Jun 2013 #24

Strawman BS hueymahl Jun 2013 #27

Alas, that's how it's done in Murica RufusTFirefly Jun 2013 #26

BUT, but ... the Liberarians are coming!!! So Snowden is E*V*I*L 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #28

Martin Luther King was an ADULTERER!!! RufusTFirefly Jun 2013 #29

Hear. Hear. nt tsuki Jun 2013 #30

Exactly rightsideout Jun 2013 #31

Actually thats up to SCOTUS to determine if it is or is not constitutional. nt cstanleytech Jun 2013 #32

True. And it's also up to any POTUS who runs for office as a "constitutional expert" 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #37

If it was only that simple then yes but the world isnt a simple black and white cstanleytech Jun 2013 #46

My theory about what "Obama learned once in the WH" is this 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #47

Possible. cstanleytech Jun 2013 #48

Either way, we all lose 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #50

The scotus that gave us citizens United? Doctor_J Jun 2013 #71

Disagreement over SCOTUS rulings are hardly new though Doc. cstanleytech Jun 2013 #74

You consider this SCOTUS trustworthy?? Doctor_J Jun 2013 #81

So you consider congress more trustworthy??? cstanleytech Jun 2013 #85

I'm actually sick of Glenn Greenwald. 1983law Jun 2013 #34

Snowden should be part of the discussion davidpdx Jun 2013 #36

"We the people" want transparency and to bring an end to rampant corruption. 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #40

CEOs are today's Lords and Barons... Octafish Jun 2013 #38

I just finished watching the Tudors mini-series, on Netflix. 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #41

I am bitterly disappointed by this whole issue DissidentVoice Jun 2013 #39

Exactly! 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #42

30,000 requests since 1979. Its less disturbing if you say it that way. bhikkhu Jun 2013 #44

Apparently the FISA court rejects some requests for specific reasons... randome Jun 2013 #52

If they can't counter the message, they'll attack the messenger. n/t Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #45

The weird thing is how they just keep going... sibelian Jun 2013 #53

Hear, hear! FiveGoodMen Jun 2013 #54

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #55

Everyone isn't tavalon Jun 2013 #56

We can hear you now. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #57

I agree. Snowden is a small blip compared to the gaping and festering wound Cleita Jun 2013 #58

Great post, David!! K&R for clarity on the SURVEILLANCE STATE. chimpymustgo Jun 2013 #59

Hearing this hyperbole makes me want to join the NSA out of pure spite. WatermelonRat Jun 2013 #61

Well said. randome Jun 2013 #62

Welcome.... Grassy Knoll Jun 2013 #63

Always wait until you have a full-blown, unopposable surveillance state before pointing it out FiveGoodMen Jun 2013 #80

How about getting evidence before starting the operation? randome Jun 2013 #82

K&R I agree 100 percent Populist_Prole Jun 2013 #65

But, but, but...... DeSwiss Jun 2013 #66

I agree. It's similar to the IRS & Issa. SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2013 #67

but Snowden hates Jesus and universal healthcare and Glenn Greenwald is a poopy head Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #68

It's the culture of personality Doctor_J Jun 2013 #70

like Manning, Assange, or Sibel Edmonds, I'm more interested in what he revealed than his yurbud Jun 2013 #72

Those that do so are mindless magpies attracted to shiny objects. Bonobo Jun 2013 #73

he broke the RULES and the RULES are whats important. Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #75

Then blame it on Snowden for not focusing his revelations on internal US surveillance pnwmom Jun 2013 #76

You know what? Bonobo Jun 2013 #77

Who's noticed the number of Snowden attackers with a 2008... TheMadMonk Jun 2013 #79

That train left the station in 2003 and there are bigger fish to fry at the moment. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #83

How naive are we? Did many of us miss the reports saying that all of this was happening years ago? themaguffin Jun 2013 #84