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22. I fnd the hypocritical blustering disturbing, yes.

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Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:35 PM

Jun 2013

Do you think the U.S. should stop spying on other nations?

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When was the last time, or any time, that Wikileaks [View all] pnwmom Jun 2013 OP

I asked that question and some of the fans treestar Jun 2013 #1

See post #2. I posted the same info multiple times and it doesn't seem to stick in people's head. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #4

Here is the website with documents assorted by country Warpy Jun 2013 #2

Thank you. So 57 pages on Russia, 215 on China, and 9720 on the US. pnwmom Jun 2013 #5

Go ahead, move those goalposts! Warpy Jun 2013 #9

The numbers prove my point. I asked when Wikileaks had published "multitudes of documents." pnwmom Jun 2013 #12

so take it up with the chinese and russian whistlblowers frylock Jun 2013 #23

The point is that our spying on Russia and China has a context. pnwmom Jun 2013 #25

Snowden's revelations have only made spying more difficult. morningfog Jun 2013 #29

++ frylock Jun 2013 #49

go on.... frylock Jun 2013 #48

Yeah I noticed that too treestar Jun 2013 #30

Wikileaks can only report on documents that they are given. If Chinese or Russian dissidents aren't Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #3

Really? Recursion Jun 2013 #7

It appears to at be disturbing that we try to protect ourselves treestar Jun 2013 #11

He found the constant blustering disturbing, which it is. Warpy Jun 2013 #14

I fnd the hypocritical blustering disturbing, yes. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #22

Maybe because they know they'd be shot? treestar Jun 2013 #8

I'd say a lot more scared. Though it is not to our credit that Manning could have Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #24

We're not stealing their technology but they're stealing ours. pnwmom Jun 2013 #13

How do you know that? I find the assumption that we aren't, disturbing. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #16

We openly publish and patent our scientific research. pnwmom Jun 2013 #21

How do you know that we aren't hacking in order to steal their secret technology? Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #26

Because we're the ones that develop the technologies first. pnwmom Jun 2013 #32

Hahaha! Oh those stupid Chinese. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #34

They're not stupid. But they lack the scientific infrastructure we have here, pnwmom Jun 2013 #35

We never did that? Remember Operation Paperclip? magellan Jun 2013 #53

They are doing it now and we're justified in trying to protect ourselves from it. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #54

No one's arguing that. magellan Jun 2013 #55

Yes, people are arguing that. People who are shocked and horrified pnwmom Jun 2013 #56

lol, well, I can't speak for those people magellan Jun 2013 #57

+1 Blue_Roses Jun 2013 #19

But not through wiki leaks nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #28

we *gave them* technology, what are you talking about? *massive* technology transfer HiPointDem Jun 2013 #36

There are Russian documents in the document collection. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #6

Yes: 57 pages from Russia vs. 9720 from the U.S. pnwmom Jun 2013 #10

You started with the assumption there were none nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #15

Please reread my post. I didn't start out with the assumption that there were "none." pnwmom Jun 2013 #27

Enjoy the new goal post nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #31

Just can't read, can you? n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #33

Careful Floyd_Gondolli Jun 2013 #50

"it"? Really? nt Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #52

Maybe the people with access to that info in China & Russia are better koolaiders NoOneMan Jun 2013 #17

Why do you think that is? nt ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #18

Thanks pnwmom Hekate Jun 2013 #20

Exactly. We should be more like Russia and China!!1! progressoid Jun 2013 #37

Russia and China don't pretend to be open and transparent Spider Jerusalem Jun 2013 #38

So how does it help encourage more freedom to throw a monkey wrench pnwmom Jun 2013 #40

Any rational person will tell you that, as imperfect as the US is, it's far more free and open geek tragedy Jun 2013 #39

That's not the impression I've been getting around here lately. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #41

Lots of hyperbole, but virtually no one here would have the gumption geek tragedy Jun 2013 #42

that's why some tried to push the "hong kong isn't china" JI7 Jun 2013 #45

Awfully naive of people to think that geek tragedy Jun 2013 #47

Misplaces snarkiness. Skidmore Jun 2013 #51

Do you complain that Wikipedia has a lot more English articles than every other language available? Humanist_Activist Jun 2013 #43

There's no reason they can't post pages in other languages. pnwmom Jun 2013 #46

Of course there are reasons, Wikipedia started as an English language encyclopedia... Humanist_Activist Jun 2013 #58

Wikileaks is a separate entity. And Wikileaks has published pages pnwmom Jun 2013 #59

Wikileaks is a Wiki, wikis are a type of web site/publisher that allows others... Humanist_Activist Jun 2013 #60

I know what Wikileaks is. And I know it's capable of publishing in languages other than English. pnwmom Jun 2013 #61

I don't care, I just find your criticism of Wikileaks to be extraordinarily stupid and petty... Humanist_Activist Jun 2013 #62

How was I criticizing Wikileaks? I was pointing out the relative closed-ness pnwmom Jun 2013 #63

it just makes no sense, how are we to believe what he said ? he is so upset about civil rights in JI7 Jun 2013 #44

True. Wikileaks can't get the info no matter how hard they would try. The leakers would be killed. moke720 Jul 2013 #64