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Fire Walk With Me

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58. I know that some of it is older than the neocon project for a new American century
Mon Jun 24, 2013, 04:11 AM
Jun 2013

but why in the world can you absolutely state that Obama does not engage in warrantless wiretapping as though you have some inside perspective, not merely an opinion? When this president has over and over proven himself to be a complete disaster regarding our civil liberties, has resulted in the elimination of the 1st, 4th, and 5th Amendments, engaged in literal domestic terrorism against the Occupy Wall Street movement (yeah, they said they weren't spying on us either, yet FOIA documents prove DHS and FBI and likely even more because they now share documents through fusion centers, LIED about spying upon us, as well as sharing our information and their findings with the very corporations and banks we were pointing out to be The Problem)...Obama is a shill for wall street and the banksters who nearly ruined the economy, providing them with continuing billions of taxpayer dollars in bailouts while forcing "austerity" in the form of "sequestration" upon the rest of us...extrajudicial execution of US citizens suspected of terrorism or terrorist links...twice signing the NDAA section 1021 providing for the indefinite detention of US citizens with neither trial nor representation, and the NDAA 2014 being about indefinite surveillance...sure, I believe everything they claim.

This is all nothing but a continuation and strengthening of the neocon/Bush doctrine. There are no fucking terrorists. Americans are not fucking terrorists. This is a power grab of amazing proportions. This is:

Ron Suskind, quoting an unnamed aide to George W. Bush (later attributed to Karl Rove[1]):

The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."[2]

And they're still doing it. Obama is one of them, and is helping it along quite handily. Because one Republican president later (and remember, they steal elections), and activists and protesters and journalists and journalists sources and everyone who looks at them wrong can be Gitmo'd. Period, and seriously. All of the provisions are now in place. All that remains is to use them. This is not going to reverse. This is also no mistake. This is orchestrated, and continuous.

Hear hear. Arctic Dave Jun 2013 #1
Fuck this noise Narkos Jun 2013 #2
Don't go there railsback Jun 2013 #3
Oh, I'll go there Narkos Jun 2013 #4
Maybe we should start one of those 'safe havens' railsback Jun 2013 #8
Yes it has and it's the same group of people. This thread is a perfect example of one okaawhatever Jun 2013 #12
It certainly has. Marr Jun 2013 #49
+100!! im1013 Jun 2013 #54
Thank you. sibelian Jun 2013 #60
+1000 Hydra Jun 2013 #85
+1. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2013 #89
Anyone who speaks out against a corporate/neocon owned government is automatically Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #6
Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #10
Ignoring your pathetic insult, I shall begin to detail what you are obviously utterly ignoring: Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #11
Jesus dude, a blue link? Narkos Jun 2013 #13
Yes, a link to facts which you are very obvious willfully ignoring. Ignorance isn't bliss. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #16
Blue links are not substitutes for discussion Narkos Jun 2013 #22
tell that to prosense lol nt SwampG8r Jun 2013 #73
But you didn't answer the question. You haven't stated your position at least in this thread, on the sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #21
Smith vs Maryland 1979 Narkos Jun 2013 #25
I don't know you, have we met? No, it didn't take me a long time to be outraged. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #33
Okay. That's a reasonable opinion Narkos Jun 2013 #36
If only you had been reasonable first, you might be able to reply to this. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #74
There was no internet in 1979. The government was not doing massive JDPriestly Jun 2013 #52
Nicely done tk2kewl Jun 2013 #81
you sound like a troll HiPointDem Jun 2013 #45
Zombie of Hannah Bell calling another DUer a troll... SidDithers Jun 2013 #72
Shit flies fast in cyberspace railsback Jun 2013 #18
so why did you hide your search criteria, this is a edited document Monkie Jun 2013 #64
Geezus railsback Jun 2013 #80
Our OP friend has never varied from that stance, cliffordu Jun 2013 #28
funny how whenever the indefensible needs defending Rise Rebel Resist Jun 2013 #53
It's they're, not their. cliffordu Jun 2013 #63
LOL Rise Rebel Resist Jun 2013 #66
LOL . Rise Rebel Resist Jun 2013 #67
I love how some of these assclowns have decided (among themselves, of course) alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #71
Nailed it again. SPOT ON. Number23 Jun 2013 #87
+ a million. Some of us have been saying that for years Number23 Jun 2013 #34
+1 JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #68
"For some reason that thread stayed with me..." Number23 Jun 2013 #86
+1 SunSeeker Jun 2013 #41
You can ask me. I've been here for ten years. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #42
The author of that piece of crap can Go F*CK himself. Tx4obama Jun 2013 #5
-1. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #26
+1 Progressive dog Jun 2013 #78
This is very silly. cthulu2016 Jun 2013 #7
The neocons and the Bush Disaster Family, whose initiatives have resulted in the trouble we see Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #14
I think you belong over at Infowars Narkos Jun 2013 #15
Like just now when you utterly ignored my link to facts to support my position Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #17
Who's we? Union Scribe Jun 2013 #19
"We" are progressives who place a Narkos Jun 2013 #20
Ha! There isn't a "Progressive" or Democratic bone in your body or mind! n/t ReRe Jun 2013 #47
You seem very familiar with Infowars. And rational discussion here? Didn't you just contradict sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #24
? Narkos Jun 2013 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow Jun 2013 #43
Really? You seem to be ranting and insulting to me. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #44
help me understand the RW/Paulite/Commie/Chinese/Racist plot to take down the president and profit? Monkie Jun 2013 #65
Treason: the betrayal of a trust freedom fighter jh Jun 2013 #69
The author is a Ron Paul supporter, so his nutty rant geek tragedy Jun 2013 #9
You know so much about all these CTs, Right Wingers, Alex Jones et al. I've asked you before, why sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #29
It's called 'google.' nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #31
I know about google, I use it to get factual information from reliable and credible sources. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #35
I was citing accurate information about geek tragedy Jun 2013 #37
!!! Number23 Jun 2013 #40
Gee thanks, Sabrina Narkos Jun 2013 #32
Another question: Why do they spend so much time on THIS site? ReRe Jun 2013 #48
Yes, that is a good question. But in a way, it's good to air these CTs where there are informed sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #75
I guess you're right... ReRe Jun 2013 #79
You don't have to spend any time on those sites to identify these people. pnwmom Jun 2013 #55
Do you have anything except ad-hominem attacks? redgreenandblue Jun 2013 #57
The post itself was insane gibberish worthy of a Larouchie. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #70
... sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #77
How in the world can anyone, especially a liberal or dem, support the neocon/Bush/Cheney protocols? Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #23
Good question, Fire, a lot of people are asking it. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #30
Bush did it without oversight Narkos Jun 2013 #39
These are not the protocols of the Bush administration. They engaged in warrantless wiretapping pnwmom Jun 2013 #56
I know that some of it is older than the neocon project for a new American century Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #58
Why should I believe Ed Snowden, the guy who's running around to China, Russia, pnwmom Jun 2013 #59
You certainly do not have to. But perhaps you should take into consideration the reasons I've posted Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #62
Oops, wrong place. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #61
Nice find kpete autorank Jun 2013 #38
Some peeps on DU can say anything, others not so much 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #46
''Scum,'' is a call for All That Is to make...... DeSwiss Jun 2013 #50
Seconded. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #76
It is a homage to my ancestors..... DeSwiss Jun 2013 #82
Cool. I currently live in Bern. Democracyinkind Jun 2013 #83
Great link, kpete! ReRe Jun 2013 #51
You are a massive ignorant Dickhead, Don Henry Ford Jr. Cha Jun 2013 #84
Cha, you crack me up. Number23 Jun 2013 #88
It actually is a Freaking crackup, 23.. Cha Jun 2013 #90
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