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CanonRay

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Mon Jun 24, 2013, 10:16 AM Jun 2013

An American citizen is seeking asylum in a foreign land [View all]

An American citizen must seek asylum from America.

Just think about that concept. How strange and odd and foreign that seems in the mind. The America I grew up in was a place others sought asylum. I cannot quite get my head around this idea. It isn't supposed to be this way.

But now we have:
secret courts, http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/21/us-usa-security-fisa-judges-idUSBRE95K06H20130621

secret laws, http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57588763-38/senators-call-for-end-to-justice-departments-secret-law/

secret trials, and http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bradley-manning-wikileaks-and-the-secret-trial-at-fort-meade-proceedings-begin-for-the-soldier-charged-with-leaking-national-secrets-8641393.html

secret evidence. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/18/fbi-secrets_n_3457258.html

I have an older friend who was a young boy in Nazi Germany during the war. This America is starting to look like the country he grew up in, not the one in which I grew up.

What happened to the "land of the free". How can this not be wrong?

This is not an anti-Obama scree, this is beyond one single President; a system out of control. I submit this is not a right/left issue. It's an American issue, and one we had best adress quickly, while we are still able.

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Seeking asylum doesn't mean one is entitled to it. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #1
I don't think my post addressed the merits of his claim CanonRay Jun 2013 #3
Well, someone can be seeking asylum when in fact they're just a criminal. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #4
Obviously, this is a political "crime" CanonRay Jun 2013 #5
Had Snowden just showed those documents to the Chinese government, would you geek tragedy Jun 2013 #7
No. morningfog Jun 2013 #9
Do you think Jonathan Pollard got a raw deal then? nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #10
I beleive Pollard was spying for a foreign government CanonRay Jun 2013 #11
You said if Snowden had just handed these intelligence files over geek tragedy Jun 2013 #12
Actually, look at my posts, I never said anything of the sort. CanonRay Jun 2013 #24
There is no advantage in knowing intelegence zeemike Jun 2013 #47
In almost all cases, anyone serving a life sentence without taking a life got a raw deal, imo. morningfog Jun 2013 #14
He's going to be released in a couple of years anyways. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #16
It says plenty nineteen50 Jun 2013 #66
Or it could mean that he broke the law and doesn't want to go to jail. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #68
Everyone seeking asylum is thought of as criminal in their home country. CincyDem Jun 2013 #79
Roman Polanski sought asylum in France, because he raped a 13 year old geek tragedy Jun 2013 #81
I think the point of this is the changing nature of asylum. CincyDem Jun 2013 #83
There's very little appetite on anyone's part to help another country geek tragedy Jun 2013 #85
Agreed CincyDem Jun 2013 #87
I was really hoping... im1013 Jun 2013 #2
Why didn't they do this to Ellsberg? Awknid Jun 2013 #8
agree oldandhappy Jun 2013 #18
Ellsberg was arrested, indicted and tried. hack89 Jun 2013 #28
The Point Is RobinA Jun 2013 #45
What Constitutional safeguards was Manning not afforded? nt hack89 Jun 2013 #53
Speedy trial. Face his accuser. Just for starters. TheMadMonk Jun 2013 #82
His lawyers requested delays in order to prepare his defense. hack89 Jun 2013 #84
No. The President doesn't get a free pass because he didn't live up to your expectations. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #36
Ellsberg posted bail LeftInTX Jun 2013 #69
I have the same feeling. oldandhappy Jun 2013 #19
weird oldandhappy Jun 2013 #22
Me too dkf Jun 2013 #51
It has happened in the past nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #6
"A system out of control..." marions ghost Jun 2013 #13
Were the tables turned... OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #15
Your stepfather isn't the only one who finds these comparisons hilarious. randome Jun 2013 #20
False analogy. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #37
Nothing is making me angrier leftynyc Jun 2013 #30
You can compare the trajectories for sure. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #38
There is NOTHING the NSA leftynyc Jun 2013 #44
Point missed, once again. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #72
Yes, I can deny it leftynyc Jun 2013 #74
Okey, dokey. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #77
I Think the Point is RobinA Jun 2013 #49
The nazis were always the nazis leftynyc Jun 2013 #50
+1 JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #52
If People Keep RobinA Jun 2013 #56
I haven't missed the point at all leftynyc Jun 2013 #59
The PATRIOT act was the beginning of our journey. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #76
Thank you. You've expressed it much more eloquently than I. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #73
Point one I agree with Marrah_G Jun 2013 #34
We've been headed "towards a different place just as bad or maybe worse"... OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #40
I personally think our system of checks and balances is broken beyond repair Marrah_G Jun 2013 #42
It's not. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #46
I disagree and I think that it is. Marrah_G Jun 2013 #60
You pulled it together. oldandhappy Jun 2013 #17
Oh no, it can't happen here. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #21
I guess you were born after Vietnam. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #23
As I considered going to Canada myself at the time CanonRay Jun 2013 #25
Exactly VA_Jill Jun 2013 #65
What's strange or odd about it. gcomeau Jun 2013 #26
It must be wonderful to have things be so simple CanonRay Jun 2013 #27
Oh please leftynyc Jun 2013 #32
You really expect him to go to any America friendly countries? RC Jun 2013 #63
Oh brother leftynyc Jun 2013 #67
I can hold several thought in my head at the same time. But if they are related they have to mesh. RC Jun 2013 #71
I think you posted this to the wrong person leftynyc Jun 2013 #93
Actually, it is. RC Jun 2013 #94
You'll notice that I asked you to explain your position. gcomeau Jun 2013 #35
He broke a law he felt had to be broken for a more ethical cause than that which the law supported. sibelian Jun 2013 #48
Fine. gcomeau Jun 2013 #54
Yes "we owe our allegiance to the king but nineteen50 Jun 2013 #70
What's "strange or odd" CanonRay Jun 2013 #80
Oh please. gcomeau Jun 2013 #89
Thanks for making my point! CanonRay Jun 2013 #90
I didn't... gcomeau Jun 2013 #91
Meanwhile, with all this going on, leftynyc Jun 2013 #29
leftynyc JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #55
Not enough time for me leftynyc Jun 2013 #58
Gah JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #62
OK, to clarify CanonRay Jun 2013 #78
OK - that I agree with leftynyc Jun 2013 #92
Lots of Paul-ites and teabaggers will likely seek asylum from the country they hate. tridim Jun 2013 #31
On the other hand, JoeyT Jun 2013 #88
What with Gitmo, Manning and the current political climate Autumn Jun 2013 #33
I would imagine that most, but certainly not *all*, of the people bike man Jun 2013 #39
Yep, we have stepped through the looking glass in so many ways. n/t Cleita Jun 2013 #41
Except one big difference is he isnt doing it because the government cstanleytech Jun 2013 #43
List of United States citizens granted political asylum in Cuba ProSense Jun 2013 #57
Theives, rapists, kidnappers, airplane highjackers, murderers..... baldguy Jun 2013 #96
asylum kardonb Jun 2013 #61
Joey Del Toro sought asylum in Mexico after murdering a woman in Florida LeftInTX Jun 2013 #64
k and r nashville_brook Jun 2013 #75
Roman Polanski threads are so last-year jberryhill Jun 2013 #86
A self-confessed criminal is seeking asylum in a foreign land. baldguy Jun 2013 #95
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