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141. I agree that whatever else it is, the Snowden case is not about race

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 09:55 AM

Jun 2013

and the examples used in the OP don't come any closer to making the case for racist duer running amok than the nonsense about criticism of the President's policies being rooted in racism did.

and that's all we agree on about Snowden.

Snowden brought to the forefront what legal whistleblowers like Binney could not; the exponential growth of the massive surveillance being conducted both here on Americans and abroad. That is the issue.

And frankly, I think there's abundant evidence that the activities of China and Russia pale in comparison to those of the U.S. when it comes to espionage- not to mention wreaking havoc on the international stage. As far as I know neither the Chinese or the Russians, for example, are conducting illegal drone bombings in sovereign nations.

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i was wrong about the level of racism here, and in the US in general,and im sorry. [View all] Monkie Jun 2013 OP

+1. nt newfie11 Jun 2013 #1

It's what happens when our press collaborates with the government Catherina Jun 2013 #2

i know, i understand this, and there are many good people in america who broke this brainwashing Monkie Jun 2013 #4

we part company. cali Jun 2013 #5

Sorry, you couldn't be more wrong. The War on Muslims unleashed racism in this country sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #95

I don't disagree that there is lot of bigotry against Muslims though cali Jun 2013 #117

One thing leads to another. I agree with you regarding partisan shit. Either something is wrong sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #131

Agreed dbackjon Jun 2013 #120

That's ok, Catherina Jun 2013 #167

I've heard this meme, repeatedly, on Rush Limbaugh's show. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #115

Perhaps you've noticed that on the right they are masters of projection. nt laundry_queen Jun 2013 #148

Yes, there's racism here but you do a piss poor job of making the case with your examples cali Jun 2013 #3

i understand this angers, you, but this post is not about you at all Monkie Jun 2013 #8

bullshit angers me. sloppy "thinking" angers me. sanctimony angers me. cali Jun 2013 #11

post links? and this topic is no reflection on you or anything you have ever said? Monkie Jun 2013 #15

aaargh. you don't understand what angers me at all. cali Jun 2013 #20

i did not want to discuss this with you because you are not "the issue" in any way. Monkie Jun 2013 #26

+1,000 !!!! MADem Jun 2013 #21

OK, it's early and maybe I need more coffee but I don't get the spoon reference cali Jun 2013 #25

A big wooden spoon used to stir shit... SidDithers Jun 2013 #28

every heaven05 Jun 2013 #39

Sid got it in one. MADem Jun 2013 #42

????? heaven05 Jun 2013 #50

why not address the points in my post which the poster approved of and which cali Jun 2013 #66

I heaven05 Jun 2013 #102

no heaven05 Jun 2013 #91

he apologizes for not understanding what a bunch of racists we really are hfojvt Jun 2013 #151

You know what? this op is the perfect companion piece to all the idiotic craptastic cali Jun 2013 #6

indeed, the perfect companion piece Monkie Jun 2013 #12

No, it's quite in the same vein. cali Jun 2013 #14

So who brought back open Racism? clydefrand Jun 2013 #7

if you do not see or understand the torrent of anti-foreigner talk that is flooding this place Monkie Jun 2013 #10

Well, the epithet "Ugly American" wasn't a compliment Demeter Jun 2013 #9

And your point? caseymoz Jun 2013 #123

I was appalled to see albino mystery-man written here Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #13

as a lilly white man i reject that any white man can complain about racism against them Monkie Jun 2013 #17

wow heaven05 Jun 2013 #36

Actually my objection was not based on race but using Albino as a pejorative Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #112

I heaven05 Jun 2013 #122

Lots of people confuse prejudice with racism malaise Jun 2013 #79

You missed the nature of my disgust entirely. Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #116

sorry i realise that now Monkie Jun 2013 #158

I don't accept the racism here part but malaise Jun 2013 #16

"... the parts about the US versus sovereign states is correct" Yep, this is the part RKP5637 Jun 2013 #37

We need a balance of power on this planet malaise Jun 2013 #76

Is calling him Hong Kong Eddie rascism against Hong Kong or against Eddie Progressive dog Jun 2013 #18

Hong Kong Eddie is along the same vain Tokyo Rose. RC Jun 2013 #111

It is just demonizing a person Progressive dog Jun 2013 #119

So you would object to Tokyo Rose? dbackjon Jun 2013 #125

It is a Psychology point. RC Jun 2013 #135

Why is Hong Kong Eddie a slur? I think that's a bit of a stretch to claim that. MADem Jun 2013 #19

And neither is "Baghdad Bob" I guess. zeemike Jun 2013 #27

Bob was actually FROM Baghdad. His name wasn't Bob, though--it was simply alliterative. MADem Jun 2013 #34

Yep it can all be rationalized. zeemike Jun 2013 #40

Of course it's intended to diminish (not demonize--"Traitor Eddie" would work better if that is MADem Jun 2013 #48

Well sarcasm and irony is lost on some people. zeemike Jun 2013 #60

It's important to tell it like it is, though. The OP doesn't do that. MADem Jun 2013 #63

And why should they let it die down? zeemike Jun 2013 #65

I am afraid I don't understand what your first sentence is saying. MADem Jun 2013 #70

Perhaps I can explain it. zeemike Jun 2013 #81

There was more to it than that. MADem Jun 2013 #128

Well then the other side of this issue zeemike Jun 2013 #136

Racism most certainly can be used. MADem Jun 2013 #142

And who decides when it is apppropiate? zeemike Jun 2013 #159

You take your chances. MADem Jun 2013 #160

And it rolls both ways. zeemike Jun 2013 #166

You're welcome to do that. MADem Jun 2013 #168

Fortunately I don't need anyone's permission to do that. zeemike Jun 2013 #170

I am retired. I have lots of free time. I've had my day in the sun.... MADem Jun 2013 #176

Agree--"Hong King Eddie" marions ghost Jun 2013 #71

How do you explain that "Eddie" doesn't look like that? MADem Jun 2013 #74

I'm talking about the mental image marions ghost Jun 2013 #82

You're the one who came up with that gratuitously racist "mental image." You put it out there. MADem Jun 2013 #93

Another poster had my same thought independently: marions ghost Jun 2013 #114

I wonder how much time that poster spent in Asian nations? MADem Jun 2013 #138

Not at all marions ghost Jun 2013 #149

I am closer to the grave than the cradle, and I've "asked an Asian friend or relation" MADem Jun 2013 #157

Yup...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #86

That image is actually JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #130

And your point is...? marions ghost Jun 2013 #139

Sorry JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #152

Thanks for clarifying marions ghost Jun 2013 #162

I do understand that JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #164

That's the truth marions ghost Jun 2013 #171

Does that mean Broadway Joe was, er, homophobic? BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #29

Ha--I remember that...that was around the time that whatsisface did the naked centerfold for Cosmo.. MADem Jun 2013 #38

Do you think gay men wear pantyhouse? What the fuck sort of crap is that? Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #43

Well, at least the person I was responding to got it BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #46

A joke that bats 50/50 could use a rewrite. Lots of homophobia around here and your Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #49

I was poking fun at the presumption BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #52

That means your objective was to make a joke. I do not agree that you did so. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #59

I took it as the poster making fun of people who have stereotypical views of gay people, to MADem Jun 2013 #68

Darling I was present at tapings of All In the Family and other Lear shows. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #84

Humor lessons BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #89

It's how my bread gets buttered. What i do. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #105

The daft thing is BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #107

You thought that was a funny joke, you are confused. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #121

First--it wasn't a "joke." It was an observation of a prevailing POV back in the day. MADem Jun 2013 #109

Shitty wise cracks by straights for straights. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #126

You are making assumptions not in evidence, but whatever. MADem Jun 2013 #129

Mean jokes for straight folks. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #134

Yep, we're done here. Most def. MADem Jun 2013 #144

Namath famously did a pantyhose commercial... SidDithers Jun 2013 #67

Everyone knows that Sid. Still does not make the joke funny, well crafted or lacking in Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #88

I assume it was a play on the 70's cartoon series Hong Kong Phooey Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #45

I was a little long in the tooth for cartoons back then (I like them today, though...Family Guy, MADem Jun 2013 #61

I bet Scatman was older than you at that time. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #78

I don't leap to assume insult. Hong Kong Phooey sounds silly to me, not racist. MADem Jun 2013 #90

The back story of the cartoon is moot to the point. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #118

I am starting to get the very strong feeling that you are in need of a vigorous argument, MADem Jun 2013 #132

Are you apologizing for underestimating the level of racism at DU? Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #22

I think a more descriptive word for this is "ethrocentricity" -but with a twist of snark. canoeist52 Jun 2013 #23

that is quite a incredible article, exactly, but to me they are all sides of the same coin Monkie Jun 2013 #35

Hey it worked in the 50s zeemike Jun 2013 #24

you heaven05 Jun 2013 #30

We have to face our true history in order to be free Sunlei Jun 2013 #31

The recs given to this abysmal op cali Jun 2013 #32

i challenge you then, 24 hours of replacing china/foreign/commie with jew/african/black Monkie Jun 2013 #56

say what? cali Jun 2013 #77

I was surprised by the posts noamnety Jun 2013 #33

Spot on. nt laundry_queen Jun 2013 #154

You still are wrong...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #41

i say what i think, i dont insinuate with one liners and empty posts Monkie Jun 2013 #44

+1 heaven05 Jun 2013 #47

Well said. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #54

"pull no punches". Don't make me laugh... SidDithers Jun 2013 #58

You almost never post about your opinion of issues, just about other posters. This is no Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #69

Some DUers are worth the time to compose a reply to...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #73

Again, a petty personal comment about other DUers not about the issues Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #98

Pot. Kettle... SidDithers Jun 2013 #104

Yeah, Sid, it is not 'pot and kettle' just 'cause you type that it is Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #133

Two comments in one reply... SidDithers Jun 2013 #146

A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both Monkie Jun 2013 #75

You're more concerned with retaining your posting privileges at DU... SidDithers Jun 2013 #80

+1 graham4anything Jun 2013 #87

Don't miss this gem from Friday: ucrdem Jun 2013 #92

Shocked. Shocked I am...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #97

the difference between rights and privileges and principles, and wow, actual words in a sid post Monkie Jun 2013 #96

And I stand by the words in my alert on your hidden impeachment thread...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #99

hypocrisy alert? so you tried to get me banned from the site behind my back? Monkie Jun 2013 #156

Do I think someone calling for Obama's impeachment at DU should be banned?... SidDithers Jun 2013 #165

Thank you for that link! zappaman Jun 2013 #169

i said that obama had committed war crimes resulting in the death of a protected person Monkie Jun 2013 #175

Bye bye, troll... SidDithers Jun 2013 #180

About time. zappaman Jun 2013 #181

+1 zappaman Jun 2013 #137

Oh heaven05 Jun 2013 #110

hihi Monkie Jun 2013 #113

Racism is not great, but in my experience, US is not Sand Wind Jun 2013 #51

???? heaven05 Jun 2013 #127

There is a difference between racism, and a country working against another countries interests. still_one Jun 2013 #53

Remembering the big red scare stuff. ananda Jun 2013 #55

Most people are just people, just like us. We're just as good as they are, in every way Monkie Jun 2013 #57

Raw, honest, and on the money. marble falls Jun 2013 #62

Try being a white man married to a black woman in Texas! Dustlawyer Jun 2013 #64

IMO Mr Dixon Jun 2013 #72

and we have people claiming Americans exceptional because the rest nineteen50 Jun 2013 #83

George Wallace, David Duke, Ron and Rand Paul have a 100% history of being racists. graham4anything Jun 2013 #85

i have a 300% record for opposing all racism Monkie Jun 2013 #108

God, this site is a mess. Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2013 #94

one of its periodic lows. they come and go. cali Jun 2013 #100

+1000 nt abelenkpe Jun 2013 #124

What does opposition to Snowden's running off to Hong Kong have to do with racism? Beacool Jun 2013 #101

I agree that whatever else it is, the Snowden case is not about race cali Jun 2013 #141

Welcome to reality... kirby Jun 2013 #103

almost as if TPTB deliberately chose a national spokesmodel that would insulate them from criticism carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #172

The anonymity of the internet makes everyone an asshole. AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #106

Well, you got that right. At least we moved from the NRA to the NSA. Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #147

Maybe we can piss and moan about basketball next, and move on to the NBA! nt MADem Jun 2013 #178

I'm going to assume this is parody of the JoeyT Jun 2013 #140

Exactly. Thanks for putting that so pithily. Spot on. cali Jun 2013 #143

Laughable. You do a disservice to actual racism. great white snark Jun 2013 #145

I really wish you could see the cafeteria of Santa Monica City College. I think HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #150

it's the same people who G_j Jun 2013 #153

Reviewing your posts, I'm beginning to buy into the wooden spoon theory cali Jun 2013 #155

How is your effort to see Obama impeached, convicted, and put to death going? geek tragedy Jun 2013 #161

dont post lies about me i wont accept that, do you support the committing of war crimes? Monkie Jun 2013 #173

I reject your wackadoodle accusations against Obama. Toodles, nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #174

i see, the no topic answer, you can point to no law, no fact to deny what i say is true Monkie Jun 2013 #177

You know...you got it nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #163

Especially here of all places (and it's sexism and homophobia, too) we can do it Jun 2013 #179