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CrispyQ

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123. By the 1st or 2nd debate, you can tell which candidates TPTB have selected for us to choose between.

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 11:02 AM

Jun 2013

I think TPTB deliberately chose Obama & Clinton as our choices, to give the appearance of a nation progressing, moving forward, going left. Of course, they are both wealthy corporatists who would never buck the status quo, although Obama did not sound so much like one back then.

I know a fair number of republicans & they are as disgruntled with their party as many of us are with ours. I see a big decline in the number of voters on both sides. People are getting disgusted with the obstructionism & pettiness of our well paid legislators. The whole electoral process is so corrupt & compromised with big money. Even the state level is swimming with money. It's a disgusting mess & more & more people are starting to feel that voting doesn't make a difference.

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To those who worry about how this will affect Obama. [View all] nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 OP

Now it's going to morph into poor Obama against the world, missing the ENTIRE point. Catherina Jun 2013 #1

How about we come to the realization of the fact that Snowden didn't release anything new. Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #61

We almost went to a second war in 1971, (other then Vietnam) four hours away AverageMe Jun 2013 #66

And racism and jim crow laws were old news Coccydynia Jun 2013 #78

I already pointed out Snowden is only making a scene. Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #79

A scene that needed to be made. cui bono Jun 2013 #118

Not worried about Obama, Im worried about the carryover effect to Nov 2014 and 2016 elections. DCBob Jun 2013 #2

Good, at least you get it. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #7

wow, thanks for not so subtle insult. DCBob Jun 2013 #9

I stated a fact nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #10

I have never punched a hippie.. DCBob Jun 2013 #14

"Hippie punching" OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #17

Goddamn hippies! Rod Walker Jun 2013 #21

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #35

"little book of injustices" zeemike Jun 2013 #53

Define 'we'. I'm already cooked, you centrists and Republicans adore discrimination against us Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #15

You have no idea how bad things will get if/when the GOP is able to take control of this country. DCBob Jun 2013 #19

Republicans will take over again JW2020 Jun 2013 #27

Obama seems to be doing everything he can to hand the election to the Republicans. xtraxritical Jun 2013 #65

What's amazing to me is that in January 2009, Obama had the Republicans on the HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #71

If Democratic Senators and Representatives really cared, shouldn't more of them speak up? AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #88

I know exactly what they have been like under both Parties, same as you do, why you think Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #73

Why? Because you seem so flippant about the situation... DCBob Jun 2013 #91

I don't think you are replying to my post. I said nothing like that. xtraxritical Jun 2013 #96

All of us would be on the same side. tblue Jun 2013 #101

Good point.. and also probably all sitting in a dumpster. DCBob Jun 2013 #102

I'm worried that even if we, once again, 'vote for Democrats' which the base has sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #18

I do believe we were legitimately moving left when we elected Barack Obama. DCBob Jun 2013 #23

Quelle surprise! You're playing the racist card! That's so last term! Divernan Jun 2013 #47

Ok, maybe I should have said.. DCBob Jun 2013 #50

Are you talking about a Moonwalk to the left bahrbearian Jun 2013 #93

Electing a half-black man, with a scary Arabic muslim name... DCBob Jun 2013 #94

Yes we elected a half-black man, with a Muslim name , so now we have to go Right of Center? bahrbearian Jun 2013 #95

No. My point was we were heading in the "right" direction but the RW freaked out.. DCBob Jun 2013 #97

He could walk Right past all of that by supporting Liberal causes, not by appeasement. bahrbearian Jun 2013 #98

sure.. is so easy to be POTUS and make it all happen just the way you want. DCBob Jun 2013 #99

The Right Direction is what he campaigned, on not what I wanted. bahrbearian Jun 2013 #100

You see Democrats supporting Bush policies where he was illegally wiretapping? Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #64

Definitely a valid concern!! busterbrown Jun 2013 #40

I guess this was meant to be funny. DCBob Jun 2013 #52

Not really.. busterbrown Jun 2013 #87

It may not John2 Jun 2013 #84

But what is "lose the Senate" or "lose the house" for that matter tavalon Jun 2013 #114

The bloody DLC again! DissidentVoice Jun 2013 #125

The fix is in. Lasher Jun 2013 #3

By the 1st or 2nd debate, you can tell which candidates TPTB have selected for us to choose between. CrispyQ Jun 2013 #123

On the record, the policies of Hillary and Obama are remarkably similar. Lasher Jun 2013 #126

More Obama derangement syndrome. n/t BumRushDaShow Jun 2013 #4

Predictable. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #6

Yes, for those who think everything is about Obama, that is a good way to describe it .. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #24

"politicians who care about and work for the people" soooooo old school. L0oniX Jun 2013 #33

I know, I'm still stuck on that old, quaint document until something better comes along. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #34

It's a damn good quaint old document Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #121

And hasn't it been the narrative around here that every ill we suffer is Obama's fault? Some don't BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #38

Here, here ... brett_jv Jun 2013 #46

3rd Way talking points reprise - nothin' new here, folks. Move along. Divernan Jun 2013 #48

Typical EmoLefty rebuttal - nuthin' new here, folks. Move along. eom BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #51

Except you are just name calling. Thrid Way is an actual group with actual talking points. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #75

The word "bitch" is technically not a slur, either. Just means female dog. BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #109

No, that has not been the narrative at all. He is the POTUS and does get criticism for sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #54

If you think that hasn't been the narrative, then you're either blind to tone of your own posts BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #58

Predictable hippie punching nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #77

I've always considered myself more of a Flower Power Child. BlueCaliDem Jun 2013 #108

Close to perfection? caseymoz Jun 2013 #124

^^K&R^^ Progressive dog Jun 2013 #83

Who is worried. MineralMan Jun 2013 #5

+1! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #115

In 2008, I voted for hope. In 2012, I hoped for spine. If 2016, I'm happy... CincyDem Jun 2013 #8

Maybe he needs a congress that will work with him. Auntie Bush Jun 2013 #44

And maybe he needs to exert the "power of his office". CincyDem Jun 2013 #49

Maybe Obama needs to stop lying...to himself first, and then others at home, and abroad Demeter Jun 2013 #56

OK - I'll buy that too. n/t CincyDem Jun 2013 #57

That is my advice John2 Jun 2013 #122

The question of the day RobertEarl Jun 2013 #11

I think the young voters will be resistant to future candidates Babel_17 Jun 2013 #12

imo...listening nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #28

Young voters grow up and become responsible adults. Voting is responsible. graham4anything Jun 2013 #31

that worked out well for Dr. King didnt it, "they" shot him Monkie Jun 2013 #70

Dr. King fought AGAINST masks. The KKK wore masks. Dr. King fought against that with NO ego. graham4anything Jun 2013 #86

Shows where some stand, not with civil rights, only civil liberties. They ignore history. freshwest Jun 2013 #90

Holy shit! zappaman Jun 2013 #92

Bingo! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #111

You couldn't be so wrong if you tried!! ForeignandDomestic Jun 2013 #103

Dr King would be horrified at his "legacy" DissidentVoice Jun 2013 #127

The whole point of these smears(all repudiated) are to help Gomez win On Tuesday. We already know graham4anything Jun 2013 #13

Oh come on. How many DU readers do you think are Massachusetts voters totodeinhere Jun 2013 #81

+1 JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #82

No~ sheshe2 Jun 2013 #116

Do you ever sit back and objectively view your own pettiness? MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #16

Everyone is entitled to their opinions Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #22

+10 RC Jun 2013 #42

more predictable nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #25

speaking of predictability Sheepshank Jun 2013 #32

Well some of us do have a moral center not defined by letters nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #62

this is just plain funny...didn't you just dish very same predictable words on this thread? Sheepshank Jun 2013 #128

I think what she 'wants' is what all Democrats want, a Progressive, Democratic Congress and sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #37

I just sat back and objectively viewed your transparency page. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #68

What we should be worrying about now is to whom the disaffected will turn. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #20

At least he has held the line against the insane GOP Faygo Kid Jun 2013 #26

There are disappointments, no doubt. But Gman Jun 2013 #29

...I reallydon't give two shits about it... retired rooster Jun 2013 #30

in the meantime pay no attention to the SCOTUS rulings, which are far more scary than NSA stuff pasto76 Jun 2013 #36

some of us can chew gun and walk at the same time nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #63

WE voted for change and they hoped we would not notice what that change was, till it was too late. RC Jun 2013 #39

It should be about upholding our core rights and freedoms Skip Intro Jun 2013 #41

Obama and the party are just bricks in the wall. RC Jun 2013 #45

I couldn't agree more donnasgirl Jun 2013 #43

The only thing I'm worried about are the core values of the Democratic Party Fearless Jun 2013 #55

How did Wikileaks "affect Obama"? ProSense Jun 2013 #59

You know there really is a solution humbled_opinion Jun 2013 #60

I have a small circle of friends nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #67

Sorry I was away on vacation humbled_opinion Jul 2013 #130

K&R for the excellent discussion you have generated. Thanks though HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #69

I remember debriefing a young kid nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #72

I worry about no politician, because I've long realized that they pretty much all (with few NRaleighLiberal Jun 2013 #74

I understood that at 18 nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #76

Obama will be fine. No matter what happens to the American people Autumn Jun 2013 #80

Too bad he cares about the American people, ugh Iliyah Jun 2013 #85

No third term? n/t DirkGently Jun 2013 #89

I was excited when BO won the first time. But I have experience with people who say one GoneFishin Jun 2013 #104

And this is precisely what should worry partisans nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #106

If the party puts up a good candidate I will work for the cause. But I am not going to GoneFishin Jun 2013 #107

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #105

EXACTLY !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #110

I'm not sure why anyone should be worried. Rex Jun 2013 #112

They want a repuke majority in the Senate in 15 months so they can impeach... Amonester Jun 2013 #117

Define "they" please, I have never read a post here advocating what you claim Dragonfli Jun 2013 #119

That dog don't hunt tavalon Jun 2013 #113

Soon it will start..... BrainDrain Jun 2013 #120

That is what these folks are missing nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #129