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In reply to the discussion: To those who worry about how this will affect Obama. [View all]caseymoz
(5,763 posts)124. Close to perfection?
Don't give me that speech about nothing being perfect. That's not even what's being debated. If it were, I wouldn't have voted Democratic in every election I can remember and I wouldn't have donated hundreds to Obama in 2008 and what I could afford in 2012.
No, we're not discussing close to perfection. Close to mediocre is more like it. Close to anything honest. Close to minimally democratic. Close to respecting Constitutional rights. The President promises in his oath of office to uphold and protect the Constitution. That's the minimal he's expect to do. Read the Fourth Amendment. Is he upholding and protecting the Fourth Amendment. Yes or no?
The object, remember, is to hit the bulls eye, not come within a backyard of the target. And there's a time when your party is missing the whole target that measuring the distance compared to your opponent becomes irrelevant.
If you ask me, the only difference between Democrats and Republicans is that Democrats are smarter. Democratic candidates can pronounce "nuclear" and can usually be counted on to go a week without a gaffe. It feels better to be sure. However, I'm not sure when both parties are embracing fascism if smarter is better. All it means is that you can con your voters better.
Mark my words, the minorities are going to get screwed over more than anybody as this plays out. They are not going to fare well without an effective 4th Amendment. The War on Drugs is going to still be prosecuted disproportionately against them. It's hard, no impossible, to be treated equally when you're in prison.
However, I'll "see the light" when President Obama reverses himself on his surveillance and secrecy programs and reinstates the Fourth Amendment. It's nothing personal. If he does that, and I'll vote Democratic again. Not for anything else. Not any sooner. Don't even ask.
He's already gotten my vote twice. I gave him hundreds of dollars for his elections. I've voted for all Democratic candidates since I can remember. After this surveillance scandal, you don't have the right to ask that I do anymore.
No, President Obama hasn't "disappointed." He takes an oath to uphold and protect the Constitution, that's minimal requirement of his office. He hasn't disappointed; like Bush, he's done the exact opposite.
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Now it's going to morph into poor Obama against the world, missing the ENTIRE point.
Catherina
Jun 2013
#1
How about we come to the realization of the fact that Snowden didn't release anything new.
Life Long Dem
Jun 2013
#61
Not worried about Obama, Im worried about the carryover effect to Nov 2014 and 2016 elections.
DCBob
Jun 2013
#2
Define 'we'. I'm already cooked, you centrists and Republicans adore discrimination against us
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#15
You have no idea how bad things will get if/when the GOP is able to take control of this country.
DCBob
Jun 2013
#19
Obama seems to be doing everything he can to hand the election to the Republicans.
xtraxritical
Jun 2013
#65
What's amazing to me is that in January 2009, Obama had the Republicans on the
HardTimes99
Jun 2013
#71
If Democratic Senators and Representatives really cared, shouldn't more of them speak up?
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2013
#88
I know exactly what they have been like under both Parties, same as you do, why you think
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#73
I'm worried that even if we, once again, 'vote for Democrats' which the base has
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#18
Yes we elected a half-black man, with a Muslim name , so now we have to go Right of Center?
bahrbearian
Jun 2013
#95
No. My point was we were heading in the "right" direction but the RW freaked out..
DCBob
Jun 2013
#97
He could walk Right past all of that by supporting Liberal causes, not by appeasement.
bahrbearian
Jun 2013
#98
You see Democrats supporting Bush policies where he was illegally wiretapping?
Life Long Dem
Jun 2013
#64
By the 1st or 2nd debate, you can tell which candidates TPTB have selected for us to choose between.
CrispyQ
Jun 2013
#123
Yes, for those who think everything is about Obama, that is a good way to describe it ..
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#24
I know, I'm still stuck on that old, quaint document until something better comes along.
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#34
And hasn't it been the narrative around here that every ill we suffer is Obama's fault? Some don't
BlueCaliDem
Jun 2013
#38
Except you are just name calling. Thrid Way is an actual group with actual talking points.
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#75
The word "bitch" is technically not a slur, either. Just means female dog.
BlueCaliDem
Jun 2013
#109
No, that has not been the narrative at all. He is the POTUS and does get criticism for
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#54
If you think that hasn't been the narrative, then you're either blind to tone of your own posts
BlueCaliDem
Jun 2013
#58
Maybe Obama needs to stop lying...to himself first, and then others at home, and abroad
Demeter
Jun 2013
#56
Young voters grow up and become responsible adults. Voting is responsible.
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#31
Dr. King fought AGAINST masks. The KKK wore masks. Dr. King fought against that with NO ego.
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#86
Shows where some stand, not with civil rights, only civil liberties. They ignore history.
freshwest
Jun 2013
#90
The whole point of these smears(all repudiated) are to help Gomez win On Tuesday. We already know
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#13
this is just plain funny...didn't you just dish very same predictable words on this thread?
Sheepshank
Jun 2013
#128
I think what she 'wants' is what all Democrats want, a Progressive, Democratic Congress and
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#37
What we should be worrying about now is to whom the disaffected will turn.
Egalitarian Thug
Jun 2013
#20
in the meantime pay no attention to the SCOTUS rulings, which are far more scary than NSA stuff
pasto76
Jun 2013
#36
WE voted for change and they hoped we would not notice what that change was, till it was too late.
RC
Jun 2013
#39
I worry about no politician, because I've long realized that they pretty much all (with few
NRaleighLiberal
Jun 2013
#74
I was excited when BO won the first time. But I have experience with people who say one
GoneFishin
Jun 2013
#104
If the party puts up a good candidate I will work for the cause. But I am not going to
GoneFishin
Jun 2013
#107
They want a repuke majority in the Senate in 15 months so they can impeach...
Amonester
Jun 2013
#117
Define "they" please, I have never read a post here advocating what you claim
Dragonfli
Jun 2013
#119