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Catherina

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167. That's ok,

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 10:46 AM

Jun 2013

We don't have to agree on everything. Things would be boring if we did. If I were to rewrite this OP, I wouldn't list all the examples under racism and I'd tone down replace the word *hate* with *distrust* in several places but I think the general idea is correct. The OP is European and not writing in his (or her) own language so I cut slack for that. I also cut slack because I know how shocking our focus on race and ethnicity seems to the European Left.

The huge ruckus over the cheerios commercial didn't do us any favors but that's a different issue than was raised in the OP.

You're right that they're not all examples of racism so I see what you meant by sloppy. I'm sure if Monkie ever rewrites that your critique will help him (or her). I don't know about you but I find a lot of the things I wrote sloppy because the conversations move so fast, there's so much to read, and answering people takes time so it's a challenging juggling act. I slip up a lot and cringe when I reread stuff I wrote in a hurry lol so I hope you'll keep me straight too.

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i was wrong about the level of racism here, and in the US in general,and im sorry. [View all] Monkie Jun 2013 OP

+1. nt newfie11 Jun 2013 #1

It's what happens when our press collaborates with the government Catherina Jun 2013 #2

i know, i understand this, and there are many good people in america who broke this brainwashing Monkie Jun 2013 #4

we part company. cali Jun 2013 #5

Sorry, you couldn't be more wrong. The War on Muslims unleashed racism in this country sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #95

I don't disagree that there is lot of bigotry against Muslims though cali Jun 2013 #117

One thing leads to another. I agree with you regarding partisan shit. Either something is wrong sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #131

Agreed dbackjon Jun 2013 #120

That's ok, Catherina Jun 2013 #167

I've heard this meme, repeatedly, on Rush Limbaugh's show. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #115

Perhaps you've noticed that on the right they are masters of projection. nt laundry_queen Jun 2013 #148

Yes, there's racism here but you do a piss poor job of making the case with your examples cali Jun 2013 #3

i understand this angers, you, but this post is not about you at all Monkie Jun 2013 #8

bullshit angers me. sloppy "thinking" angers me. sanctimony angers me. cali Jun 2013 #11

post links? and this topic is no reflection on you or anything you have ever said? Monkie Jun 2013 #15

aaargh. you don't understand what angers me at all. cali Jun 2013 #20

i did not want to discuss this with you because you are not "the issue" in any way. Monkie Jun 2013 #26

+1,000 !!!! MADem Jun 2013 #21

OK, it's early and maybe I need more coffee but I don't get the spoon reference cali Jun 2013 #25

A big wooden spoon used to stir shit... SidDithers Jun 2013 #28

every heaven05 Jun 2013 #39

Sid got it in one. MADem Jun 2013 #42

????? heaven05 Jun 2013 #50

why not address the points in my post which the poster approved of and which cali Jun 2013 #66

I heaven05 Jun 2013 #102

no heaven05 Jun 2013 #91

he apologizes for not understanding what a bunch of racists we really are hfojvt Jun 2013 #151

You know what? this op is the perfect companion piece to all the idiotic craptastic cali Jun 2013 #6

indeed, the perfect companion piece Monkie Jun 2013 #12

No, it's quite in the same vein. cali Jun 2013 #14

So who brought back open Racism? clydefrand Jun 2013 #7

if you do not see or understand the torrent of anti-foreigner talk that is flooding this place Monkie Jun 2013 #10

Well, the epithet "Ugly American" wasn't a compliment Demeter Jun 2013 #9

And your point? caseymoz Jun 2013 #123

I was appalled to see albino mystery-man written here Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #13

as a lilly white man i reject that any white man can complain about racism against them Monkie Jun 2013 #17

wow heaven05 Jun 2013 #36

Actually my objection was not based on race but using Albino as a pejorative Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #112

I heaven05 Jun 2013 #122

Lots of people confuse prejudice with racism malaise Jun 2013 #79

You missed the nature of my disgust entirely. Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #116

sorry i realise that now Monkie Jun 2013 #158

I don't accept the racism here part but malaise Jun 2013 #16

"... the parts about the US versus sovereign states is correct" Yep, this is the part RKP5637 Jun 2013 #37

We need a balance of power on this planet malaise Jun 2013 #76

Is calling him Hong Kong Eddie rascism against Hong Kong or against Eddie Progressive dog Jun 2013 #18

Hong Kong Eddie is along the same vain Tokyo Rose. RC Jun 2013 #111

It is just demonizing a person Progressive dog Jun 2013 #119

So you would object to Tokyo Rose? dbackjon Jun 2013 #125

It is a Psychology point. RC Jun 2013 #135

Why is Hong Kong Eddie a slur? I think that's a bit of a stretch to claim that. MADem Jun 2013 #19

And neither is "Baghdad Bob" I guess. zeemike Jun 2013 #27

Bob was actually FROM Baghdad. His name wasn't Bob, though--it was simply alliterative. MADem Jun 2013 #34

Yep it can all be rationalized. zeemike Jun 2013 #40

Of course it's intended to diminish (not demonize--"Traitor Eddie" would work better if that is MADem Jun 2013 #48

Well sarcasm and irony is lost on some people. zeemike Jun 2013 #60

It's important to tell it like it is, though. The OP doesn't do that. MADem Jun 2013 #63

And why should they let it die down? zeemike Jun 2013 #65

I am afraid I don't understand what your first sentence is saying. MADem Jun 2013 #70

Perhaps I can explain it. zeemike Jun 2013 #81

There was more to it than that. MADem Jun 2013 #128

Well then the other side of this issue zeemike Jun 2013 #136

Racism most certainly can be used. MADem Jun 2013 #142

And who decides when it is apppropiate? zeemike Jun 2013 #159

You take your chances. MADem Jun 2013 #160

And it rolls both ways. zeemike Jun 2013 #166

You're welcome to do that. MADem Jun 2013 #168

Fortunately I don't need anyone's permission to do that. zeemike Jun 2013 #170

I am retired. I have lots of free time. I've had my day in the sun.... MADem Jun 2013 #176

Agree--"Hong King Eddie" marions ghost Jun 2013 #71

How do you explain that "Eddie" doesn't look like that? MADem Jun 2013 #74

I'm talking about the mental image marions ghost Jun 2013 #82

You're the one who came up with that gratuitously racist "mental image." You put it out there. MADem Jun 2013 #93

Another poster had my same thought independently: marions ghost Jun 2013 #114

I wonder how much time that poster spent in Asian nations? MADem Jun 2013 #138

Not at all marions ghost Jun 2013 #149

I am closer to the grave than the cradle, and I've "asked an Asian friend or relation" MADem Jun 2013 #157

Yup...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #86

That image is actually JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #130

And your point is...? marions ghost Jun 2013 #139

Sorry JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #152

Thanks for clarifying marions ghost Jun 2013 #162

I do understand that JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #164

That's the truth marions ghost Jun 2013 #171

Does that mean Broadway Joe was, er, homophobic? BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #29

Ha--I remember that...that was around the time that whatsisface did the naked centerfold for Cosmo.. MADem Jun 2013 #38

Do you think gay men wear pantyhouse? What the fuck sort of crap is that? Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #43

Well, at least the person I was responding to got it BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #46

A joke that bats 50/50 could use a rewrite. Lots of homophobia around here and your Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #49

I was poking fun at the presumption BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #52

That means your objective was to make a joke. I do not agree that you did so. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #59

I took it as the poster making fun of people who have stereotypical views of gay people, to MADem Jun 2013 #68

Darling I was present at tapings of All In the Family and other Lear shows. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #84

Humor lessons BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #89

It's how my bread gets buttered. What i do. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #105

The daft thing is BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #107

You thought that was a funny joke, you are confused. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #121

First--it wasn't a "joke." It was an observation of a prevailing POV back in the day. MADem Jun 2013 #109

Shitty wise cracks by straights for straights. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #126

You are making assumptions not in evidence, but whatever. MADem Jun 2013 #129

Mean jokes for straight folks. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #134

Yep, we're done here. Most def. MADem Jun 2013 #144

Namath famously did a pantyhose commercial... SidDithers Jun 2013 #67

Everyone knows that Sid. Still does not make the joke funny, well crafted or lacking in Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #88

I assume it was a play on the 70's cartoon series Hong Kong Phooey Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #45

I was a little long in the tooth for cartoons back then (I like them today, though...Family Guy, MADem Jun 2013 #61

I bet Scatman was older than you at that time. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #78

I don't leap to assume insult. Hong Kong Phooey sounds silly to me, not racist. MADem Jun 2013 #90

The back story of the cartoon is moot to the point. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #118

I am starting to get the very strong feeling that you are in need of a vigorous argument, MADem Jun 2013 #132

Are you apologizing for underestimating the level of racism at DU? Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #22

I think a more descriptive word for this is "ethrocentricity" -but with a twist of snark. canoeist52 Jun 2013 #23

that is quite a incredible article, exactly, but to me they are all sides of the same coin Monkie Jun 2013 #35

Hey it worked in the 50s zeemike Jun 2013 #24

you heaven05 Jun 2013 #30

We have to face our true history in order to be free Sunlei Jun 2013 #31

The recs given to this abysmal op cali Jun 2013 #32

i challenge you then, 24 hours of replacing china/foreign/commie with jew/african/black Monkie Jun 2013 #56

say what? cali Jun 2013 #77

I was surprised by the posts noamnety Jun 2013 #33

Spot on. nt laundry_queen Jun 2013 #154

You still are wrong...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #41

i say what i think, i dont insinuate with one liners and empty posts Monkie Jun 2013 #44

+1 heaven05 Jun 2013 #47

Well said. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #54

"pull no punches". Don't make me laugh... SidDithers Jun 2013 #58

You almost never post about your opinion of issues, just about other posters. This is no Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #69

Some DUers are worth the time to compose a reply to...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #73

Again, a petty personal comment about other DUers not about the issues Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #98

Pot. Kettle... SidDithers Jun 2013 #104

Yeah, Sid, it is not 'pot and kettle' just 'cause you type that it is Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #133

Two comments in one reply... SidDithers Jun 2013 #146

A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both Monkie Jun 2013 #75

You're more concerned with retaining your posting privileges at DU... SidDithers Jun 2013 #80

+1 graham4anything Jun 2013 #87

Don't miss this gem from Friday: ucrdem Jun 2013 #92

Shocked. Shocked I am...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #97

the difference between rights and privileges and principles, and wow, actual words in a sid post Monkie Jun 2013 #96

And I stand by the words in my alert on your hidden impeachment thread...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #99

hypocrisy alert? so you tried to get me banned from the site behind my back? Monkie Jun 2013 #156

Do I think someone calling for Obama's impeachment at DU should be banned?... SidDithers Jun 2013 #165

Thank you for that link! zappaman Jun 2013 #169

i said that obama had committed war crimes resulting in the death of a protected person Monkie Jun 2013 #175

Bye bye, troll... SidDithers Jun 2013 #180

About time. zappaman Jun 2013 #181

+1 zappaman Jun 2013 #137

Oh heaven05 Jun 2013 #110

hihi Monkie Jun 2013 #113

Racism is not great, but in my experience, US is not Sand Wind Jun 2013 #51

???? heaven05 Jun 2013 #127

There is a difference between racism, and a country working against another countries interests. still_one Jun 2013 #53

Remembering the big red scare stuff. ananda Jun 2013 #55

Most people are just people, just like us. We're just as good as they are, in every way Monkie Jun 2013 #57

Raw, honest, and on the money. marble falls Jun 2013 #62

Try being a white man married to a black woman in Texas! Dustlawyer Jun 2013 #64

IMO Mr Dixon Jun 2013 #72

and we have people claiming Americans exceptional because the rest nineteen50 Jun 2013 #83

George Wallace, David Duke, Ron and Rand Paul have a 100% history of being racists. graham4anything Jun 2013 #85

i have a 300% record for opposing all racism Monkie Jun 2013 #108

God, this site is a mess. Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2013 #94

one of its periodic lows. they come and go. cali Jun 2013 #100

+1000 nt abelenkpe Jun 2013 #124

What does opposition to Snowden's running off to Hong Kong have to do with racism? Beacool Jun 2013 #101

I agree that whatever else it is, the Snowden case is not about race cali Jun 2013 #141

Welcome to reality... kirby Jun 2013 #103

almost as if TPTB deliberately chose a national spokesmodel that would insulate them from criticism carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #172

The anonymity of the internet makes everyone an asshole. AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #106

Well, you got that right. At least we moved from the NRA to the NSA. Eleanors38 Jun 2013 #147

Maybe we can piss and moan about basketball next, and move on to the NBA! nt MADem Jun 2013 #178

I'm going to assume this is parody of the JoeyT Jun 2013 #140

Exactly. Thanks for putting that so pithily. Spot on. cali Jun 2013 #143

Laughable. You do a disservice to actual racism. great white snark Jun 2013 #145

I really wish you could see the cafeteria of Santa Monica City College. I think HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #150

it's the same people who G_j Jun 2013 #153

Reviewing your posts, I'm beginning to buy into the wooden spoon theory cali Jun 2013 #155

How is your effort to see Obama impeached, convicted, and put to death going? geek tragedy Jun 2013 #161

dont post lies about me i wont accept that, do you support the committing of war crimes? Monkie Jun 2013 #173

I reject your wackadoodle accusations against Obama. Toodles, nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #174

i see, the no topic answer, you can point to no law, no fact to deny what i say is true Monkie Jun 2013 #177

You know...you got it nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #163

Especially here of all places (and it's sexism and homophobia, too) we can do it Jun 2013 #179