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truth2power

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49. OK, let me try to explain why I think you and I are talking at cross-purposes, here...

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 11:48 AM

Jun 2013

I hadn't read the article before I replied to you, so I went back and read it. You're correct. No charges were mentioned. But that's not the point. My reply still stands. Let me explain:

The relevant parts of the article that it appears you are addressing in your post state that Snowden has provoked "fury in high places" and that the US govt pursuit of Snowden has
"evolved into a frenzied rage."

Addressing the Administration response as noted in the article, you said, in contrast, that Pres. Obama's remarks in two different venues demonstrate that "he <did not> seem particularly perturbed about the NSA story".

It appears, then, that Pres. Obama is minimizing the importance of Snowden's disclosures. So, why file espionage charges regarding something that's not all that big a deal. That was my question. It doesn't matter if "charges" were mentioned in the article.

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The Pursuit of Edward Snowden: Washington in a Rage, Striving to Run the World [View all] xchrom Jun 2013 OP

Snowden speaks truth to power jsr Jun 2013 #1

Jesus I thought we put that idiotic phrase down for good. Richardo Jun 2013 #40

Nope. Jesus is still used. Coccydynia Jun 2013 #48

No, but, Obama is working on it with his 7th prosecution of a whistle blower :P n/t pam4water Jun 2013 #81

Since when is it an idiotic phrase? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #90

You have to get into the mindset of an authoritarian follower to understand - Dragonfli Jun 2013 #95

Very well put. panzerfaust Jun 2013 #119

Quite a while ago, this place had someone who quite innocently truedelphi Jun 2013 #106

Since overuse pounded it into insensibility duriong the Bush years. Richardo Jun 2013 #115

'war based on lies' needed to be put down? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #120

Truth to power Jesus Malverde Jun 2013 #114

Which side are you on? kentuck Jun 2013 #2

love her. nt xchrom Jun 2013 #3

I think "Napoleon" would fit well here too. bemildred Jun 2013 #12

and this one?the king blues - your granddad didn't vote for fascists, he shot 'em Monkie Jun 2013 #17

Wow. But I love Ani. nt bemildred Jun 2013 #18

That's awesome! Never heard of The King Blues. Obviously British. Current? Dark n Stormy Knight Jun 2013 #92

I like this. nt octoberlib Jun 2013 #105

It is pissing the powers that be off to no end that the world does not bow to America's wishes. The Link Jun 2013 #4

It's pissing the powers that be off that one nerd could punk them. Myrina Jun 2013 #23

Yeah. Enthusiast Jun 2013 #110

Remember when Howard Hughes bought RKO in the 50s? ucrdem Jun 2013 #5

Yep.... zeemike Jun 2013 #22

Ha. I guess you're half right at least. ucrdem Jun 2013 #27

Yes there was a time where journalist were independant. zeemike Jun 2013 #38

I share your take. Enthusiast Jun 2013 #111

"fools like Chomsky" does not help your case. xtraxritical Jun 2013 #44

And by doggedly keeping promises you mean keeping Blue Dog promises Coccydynia Jun 2013 #56

Obama is doggedly keeping what promises? Transparency??? cui bono Jun 2013 #93

Yes, I think so. He's been more candid about the NSA in his last two appearances ucrdem Jun 2013 #96

That's because he got caught! That's not being candid, that's being confessional. cui bono Jun 2013 #98

Most was well known to anyone paying attention but I realize not everyone does. ucrdem Jun 2013 #100

No, what's a shock is that Obama took the steps to make/keep it "legal". cui bono Jun 2013 #101

The 2008 FISA amendment passed while Obama was still a senator. ucrdem Jun 2013 #102

Yeah, I was just editing my post while you responded. Obama signed the extension. cui bono Jun 2013 #103

I was disgusted too. I got over it. ucrdem Jun 2013 #104

When did you get over it? When Obama started doing it? cui bono Jun 2013 #107

I got over it in 2010 I guess. ucrdem Jun 2013 #109

Yeah, because if there's one thing the Koch's hate, JoeyT Jun 2013 #30

When I read bullshit on this epic scale, JackRiddler Jun 2013 #80

Sometimes I wonder that about the Democratic Party. n/t cui bono Jun 2013 #94

No need to wonder really Dragonfli Jun 2013 #97

There you go. cui bono Jun 2013 #99

You are complaining about hacks? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #121

All I have to say about this is... austinlw Jun 2013 #6

Agreed Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #7

LOL Lugal Zaggesi Jun 2013 #59

Nothing would surprise me at this juncture. Enthusiast Jun 2013 #112

Greatest rant of all time...n/t skamaria Jun 2013 #78

No JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #9

Tobey Maguire RobinA Jun 2013 #19

Hey, Matt Damon austinlw Jun 2013 #25

Matt isn't geeky enough. I vote for Jesse Eisenberg. n/t totodeinhere Jun 2013 #91

We are going about this the wrong way JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #8

I seriously doubt if anything in this article is true. ucrdem Jun 2013 #11

I tend to agree JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #16

With all due respect, could you please explain to me, truth2power Jun 2013 #20

Article doesn't mention any charges. Read it. ucrdem Jun 2013 #24

OK, let me try to explain why I think you and I are talking at cross-purposes, here... truth2power Jun 2013 #49

He has been charged with 'espionage', certainly an overreaction sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #41

I understand why they want the database of numbers called karynnj Jun 2013 #68

Are you suggesting that it has previously been used for other purposes... Swede Atlanta Jun 2013 #85

Are you saying you have a problem with the long term norm that law enforcement karynnj Jun 2013 #86

I think it is sad that someone has to seek asylum from America CanonRay Jun 2013 #10

I Had This Thought RobinA Jun 2013 #21

He will get it too, even in the EU now with allies countries, the rules are strict. If a country sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #42

Sorry Sabrina but he big guy is oblivious warrant46 Jun 2013 #118

It is not the first time nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #45

+100 RC Jun 2013 #57

Oswald did treestar Jun 2013 #73

That happens when you commit a crime in America michigandem58 Jun 2013 #116

"moral clarity"??? karynnj Jun 2013 #13

I believe nineteen50 Jun 2013 #26

"Patriotism is voluntary. It is a feeling of loyalty and allegiance that is the result of knowledge bemildred Jun 2013 #28

wel said. nt xchrom Jun 2013 #31

Well, I mean, we pay them, they are our employees. bemildred Jun 2013 #32

We pay them NorthCarolina Jun 2013 #53

Right, corruption pays much better than we do. bemildred Jun 2013 #55

And that is why we are well and truly screwn! coming from both sides now. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2013 #108

This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Jun 2013 #77

Karl Rove, Ari Fleischer and a whole host of Bush-era PNACers agree with you nashville_brook Jun 2013 #33

What secrets did he 'take to China'? According to him, he has had no contact with the Chinese sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #46

He did release that the US "hacked" China karynnj Jun 2013 #61

The whole "He shoulda done a Daniel" schtick is bogus. GliderGuider Jun 2013 #70

Were you alive in 1971? It was every bit as paranoid - for good reasons - time period karynnj Jun 2013 #72

Oh I was around then. GliderGuider Jun 2013 #74

What secrets did he 'take to China'? According to him, he has had no contact with the Chinese sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #46

News Flash: After Abu Ghraib, Bagram and Gitmo, there is no 'image' left to damage. Snowden's HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #54

+1. nt bemildred Jun 2013 #62

And where do you stand on the morality of the US ACTIVELY... TheMadMonk Jun 2013 #67

This isn't considered journalism is it? snooper2 Jun 2013 #14

Don't tell me you haven't read Norman Solomon before... ReRe Jun 2013 #35

The Sturm und Drang over Snowden's dissapearing act may be as much smoke and mirrors. Ford_Prefect Jun 2013 #15

good post, nt G_j Jun 2013 #36

Snowden and Obama are both distractions from the real issue carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #29

exactly,. people willfully missing the point! Civilization2 Jun 2013 #122

Well he won't be coming back here unless he is in custody... Historic NY Jun 2013 #34

"Washington in a rage..." AndyA Jun 2013 #37

A very poignant question I am asking myself harun Jun 2013 #39

I have been wondering about that since bu$h's first term. RC Jun 2013 #64

Thank you for this post, AndyA Th1onein Jun 2013 #65

excellent grasswire Jun 2013 #76

What would it take to get the American people in a rage warrant46 Jun 2013 #117

Somewhere sits a drone with "Edward Snowden" etched on it. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #43

The liights have been turned on and the roaches are frightened. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #50

They don't mind acting like ***ts dipsydoodle Jun 2013 #51

Wonkbook - Does snowden actually exist? riverbendviewgal Jun 2013 #52

You betcha life - Its a mountain in the north of Wales. dipsydoodle Jun 2013 #63

I've noticed gvstn Jun 2013 #58

This is gonna end bad PatrynXX Jun 2013 #60

Do you really think he would remain free for long if he went to an American friendly country? RC Jun 2013 #66

If Ecuador is anti-American Maedhros Jun 2013 #82

And a long list of other countries too. RC Jun 2013 #83

It'd be quicker to list the countries tblue Jun 2013 #88

Besides maybe North Korea, China and Russia, are there any? RC Jun 2013 #89

He Has No Choice RobinA Jun 2013 #69

When America's after you, do you flee to a pro-America country? Iggo Jun 2013 #71

Big Brother is not happy. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #75

HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #79

YES! DeSwiss Jun 2013 #84

k&r Liberal_in_LA Jun 2013 #87

i think its provoked more in the media than the government... iamthebandfanman Jun 2013 #113