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96. NSA has a warrant to collect records, when Snowden re harvested the data from NSA then he needed a

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:34 PM

Jun 2013

warrant to collect the information he stole from the NSA, so without the warrant to collect from the NSA Snowden has violated the Fourth Amendment that you seem to be so upset about. Snowden was acting as his own agent in collecting (stealing) from NSA. He delivered information he had to a foreign news media which is a violation and resulting in him being charged with espionage. It is still espionage if he leaked information about the operation and this is a no brainier. If Snowden acted out of conscience why would he steal or is stealing not a part of his conscience? Stealing does not speak well for his integrity.

I understand quiet well what a whistleblower means. Did you know whistleblowers are excluded from the Whistleblower Act? Maybe Snowden did not know this either but ignorance of the law is not a defense.

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Plame and Wilson: The NSA's metastasised intelligence-industrial complex is ripe for abuse [View all] muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 OP

Get thee to the greatest page - MUST READ malaise Jun 2013 #1

Huge K&R /nt think Jun 2013 #2

Great article jsr Jun 2013 #3

Vroom! Puglover Jun 2013 #4

All of this is coming from foreign press... nradisic Jun 2013 #5

We lost the "Free Press" to Wall St decade ago FreakinDJ Jun 2013 #6

Foreign Press, yes, but very American names tavalon Jun 2013 #65

Good to hear from these two. Good, too, they point out that the snappyturtle Jun 2013 #7

It will be interesting watching "Democrats" smear THESE two... nt Pholus Jun 2013 #8

They're saying power can be abused - they ARE NOT saying Obama is abusing it. baldguy Jun 2013 #9

Which is why openly discussing such programs before implementation is important. Pholus Jun 2013 #12

Openly discussing such programs is what Congress has done. Repeatedly. baldguy Jun 2013 #13

Somewhat dis�in�gen�u�ous Pholus Jun 2013 #59

Congress, the Courts and the President disagree with you. baldguy Jun 2013 #61

Obama is, unfortunately. tavalon Jun 2013 #66

I needed a good laugh. Thanks! Pholus Jun 2013 #89

The executive branch is abusing its power with this program. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #49

you post highly important points Rise Rebel Resist Jun 2013 #82

Thanks. You might be interested be interested in my JDPriestly Jun 2013 #86

hear hear Rise Rebel Resist Jun 2013 #87

The NSA is not Obama's friend. Ash_F Jun 2013 #79

+1000 FreakinDJ Jun 2013 #10

Have you seen the pretzelizing going on right here? tavalon Jun 2013 #69

"racist!" "Rand Paul supporter!" sibelian Jun 2013 #88

Yeah, me too. tavalon Jun 2013 #98

Have you seen the imaginary bullshit going on right here? It's right here in this thread. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #106

Yes, I know. With this very reply in fact. nt Pholus Jun 2013 #109

Who is smearing them? They get to the point -I- make which is the import of attacking privatization KittyWampus Jun 2013 #105

"We are now dealing with a vast intelligence-industrial complex that is largely unaccountable..." Pholus Jun 2013 #108

out-of-control Intelligence Sector matches our out-of-control FIRE sector... Agony Jun 2013 #11

This is like ones brain, we don't know how it works but most of us use our brains. Many don't know Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #14

So your stance is "I always trust my government, they always get it right"? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #15

You are not reading properly or you are putting your own spin on what I posted. You may not know Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #18

No, I'm more concerned than ever that you will allow a government to do anything muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #21

Were you keeping up with events when the Patriot Act was passed? If the senators did not know this Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #24

" Wiretapping has been occurring for years also, this is not new, and requires a warrant." rhett o rick Jun 2013 #37

It was abused, ergo Patriot Act to provide oversight and FISA Court was to decide on request Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #39

You are telling me there is a law, and I am telling you it looks like the law is being ABUSED. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #40

WTH, if the issue is the warrant then you dont have an issue, this was issued in FISA court. Dont Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #44

Did you read the OP? rhett o rick Jun 2013 #47

Do you know what the request for the warrant contains? Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #48

If you have a point, spit it out. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #51

I guess you don't know what the warrant contains. Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #53

I guess you dont have a point. I dont like guessing games. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #54

Doubted your knowledge of the warrant, you talked a big talk but you could not produce evidence Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #56

I read the warrant. It violates both the FISA law and the Constitution. The Constitution, you know rhett o rick Jun 2013 #58

You should be really pissed at Snowden for spying on your phone call records anjust might have those Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #60

How ironic that you would say Snowden didnt have a warrant. He had the protection of the same rhett o rick Jun 2013 #64

How ironic Snowden went to a news media to reveal information. If the Fourth Amendment requires a Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #72

So you think every employee/contractor of the NSA needs a warrant to simply do their job? cui bono Jun 2013 #75

NSA has a warrant to collect records, when Snowden re harvested the data from NSA then he needed a Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #96

His job was to spy on American. That's what Booz Allen does. If you torture and kill him rhett o rick Jun 2013 #93

His job was not to reveal information of the operation and of the information collected by NSA which Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #97

This is true, the REAL story, as Wilson and Plame state railsback Jun 2013 #16

K & R Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #19

Ahhh, I get your point, railsback RobertEarl Jun 2013 #22

Everyone gave up their 'freedom' as soon as they started handing out their information to everyone railsback Jun 2013 #70

No. Handing out your info to corporations for marketing is completely different than cui bono Jun 2013 #76

LOL! railsback Jun 2013 #81

I didn't say that at all. But I'm sure you know that. cui bono Jun 2013 #84

Right. railsback Jun 2013 #94

Snowden is so not the point here tavalon Jun 2013 #67

He exposed a security flaw - himself. railsback Jun 2013 #71

Do you generally consider yourself an intelligent person? tavalon Jun 2013 #73

I'm not the one with the intelligence problem here. railsback Jun 2013 #74

I don't hero worship and my IQ is in the genius range, tavalon Jun 2013 #100

Ok, then I'm a genius, too railsback Jun 2013 #101

This isn't a fight, it's a bullshit game of three card monty tavalon Jun 2013 #103

The 'information' is coming from Snowden railsback Jun 2013 #104

Whatever tavalon Jun 2013 #112

+1 silvershadow Jun 2013 #111

This program is incompatible with our Constitution, that is why. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #50

This program is incompatible with our Constitution. tavalon Jun 2013 #68

911 "over reaction" is a huge understatement. L0oniX Jun 2013 #17

Is this your estimate of those involved in the "cause"? Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #20

K&R n/t myrna minx Jun 2013 #23

IT THE SUBCONTRACTORS cynzke Jun 2013 #25

Yes, indeed. And if DU'ers would get over themselves, they'd see this is the angle of attack. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #107

k and r nashville_brook Jun 2013 #26

Thank you for posting this. Rec'd. (nt) scarletwoman Jun 2013 #27

K&R! jannyk Jun 2013 #28

And it's a new multi-billion dollar private industry. That alone DirkGently Jun 2013 #29

Agree...the Privatization scheme makes more room for Mischief and outright Plundering KoKo Jun 2013 #32

We don't pass many policies that make rich companies lose money. DirkGently Jun 2013 #35

"If you build it, they will..." moondust Jun 2013 #30

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2013 #31

This thread is fantastic Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #33

Excellent article, I couldn't agree more ... brett_jv Jun 2013 #34

HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #36

"metastasized intelligence-industrial complex" marions ghost Jun 2013 #38

We can hear you now. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #41

K&R! mia Jun 2013 #42

k&r n/t RainDog Jun 2013 #43

thank you. So much chaos, few opinions I want to focus on BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2013 #45

Has anybody come up with a reasonable solution thucythucy Jun 2013 #46

There is absolutely no evidence that PRISM prevented any attacks at all. Ash_F Jun 2013 #83

Agreed. So why are we defending corporate persons from the questions we need to ask Snowden & others patrice Jun 2013 #52

K&R idwiyo Jun 2013 #55

Yeah, you probably think The PATRIOT Act is used to go after drug users, too. Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #57

k and fucking r RainDog Jun 2013 #62

"unless we establish ground rules ... national security interests and potential political chicanery" Coyotl Jun 2013 #63

Oh shit better throw Plame in Gitmo! Ash_F Jun 2013 #77

Seriously I want to throw this in the face of every single person... Ash_F Jun 2013 #78

Plame/Wilson article ReRe Jun 2013 #80

The Corporate-Government Corridors of Smoke and Mirrors LarryNM Jun 2013 #85

Valerie Plame worked for the CIA for 20 years. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #90

What I find rather amazing... Helen Borg Jun 2013 #91

Several things here. timdog44 Jun 2013 #92

The "media" purposely dotymed Jun 2013 #95

I worry for some of my fellow DUers tavalon Jun 2013 #99

Ripe enough to smell bad and draw flies. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #102

The NSA gets punked felix_numinous Jun 2013 #110