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randome

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41. More claims without evidence, though.

Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:36 PM

Jun 2013

And Drake's charges were dropped except for the one about his stealing documents, too.

You would think that in all this time, we would have some evidence of this all-pervasive spying going on.

I'm not even saying it's untrue. All I want is some evidence.

Binney and Wiebe were initially whistleblowers about financial waste. They didn't allege massive spying until their financial waste claims didn't turn out well for them. And these were Bush Era allegations, besides. A lot changed since Obama became President. Before he became President, the spying system the NSA was developing was canceled.

You would think if the 'surveillance state' was an important item, they might have mentioned it right out of the gate.

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